In light of the BST mess

halfnut · June 6, 2008 6:34AM

After reading the highlite's of the current BST mess and seeing how many poster's there are just using that forum and have not posted on this or any other forum, maybe it's time to only allow posting there only after being a member for 1 year and have xxx amount of post's or some other way to screen before there start selling. I only buy there from members that I have seen over here posting maybe passing up a few good coins but using that has helped me as I never had a bad sale or trade there.

Dan

Russ · June 6, 2008 6:37AM

Or those considering a deal could just run a forum search on the seller.

Russ, NCNE

ziggy29 · June 6, 2008 6:41AM

Seems like anyone could enforce this themselves just by looking a little deeper into the seller's history here.

drwstr123 · June 6, 2008 6:44AM

<< Or those considering a deal could just run a forum search on the seller.

Russ, NCNE >>

Doesn't always work. A member screwed me who's still held high. Mike

ricko · June 6, 2008 6:44AM

Wow... I have never had a bad experience on the BST.... however, that being said, I have always dealt with respected board members... Cheers, RickO

Russ · June 6, 2008 6:51AM

<< << Or those considering a deal could just run a forum search on the seller.

Russ, NCNE >>

Doesn't always work. A member screwed me who's still held high. Mike >>

Are they still posting and doing business here? If so, they should be outed.

Russ, NCNE

ziggy29 · June 6, 2008 6:58AM

<< Doesn't always work. A member screwed me who's still held high. Mike >>

Did you out 'em? Assuming, of course, that you gave them every reasonable chance to make it right before you did so?

drwstr123 · June 6, 2008 7:02AM

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<< Doesn't always work. A member screwed me who's still held high. Mike >>

Did you out 'em? Assuming, of course, that you gave them every reasonable chance to make it right before you did so? >>

I gave him many, many chances. It was a trade. Unfortunately, it turned out one-sided. He's not posting here, but is active ATS. I affectionately refer to him as CONDOM 101. Mike

tahoe98 · June 6, 2008 7:04AM

true true give them a chance to make things right.................................THEN lower the boom!!

blu62vette · June 6, 2008 7:41AM

I think it would be good to leave feedback on people, tried it once and nobody replied.

DorkGirl · June 6, 2008 8:07AM

Past experiences don't mean much. I had 2 OK tranactions with Musca and would have given him positive feedback......

Walkerguy21D · June 6, 2008 8:39AM

Interesting dilemma. When do you know it is safe to trust someone? I'm just now coming up on one year, and have had about 35 positive transactions in that year's time. Less than two months into my 'membership', a forum member shipped me a semi-expensive coin essentially on approval. He was going out of town, said he would ship the coin to me that day, and if I liked it, send him a check when he got back. I didn't even ask for approval, I just wanted the coin and would have gladly waited. This kind of 'set the tone' for me, so to speak, and I have done the same in return to several folks. I guess until I get burned I'll still be trusting to everyone....but I agree, it does help when you see some informational and educational posts coming from a member, and not just coins for sale or WTB.

19Lyds · June 6, 2008 9:28AM

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<< Or those considering a deal could just run a forum search on the seller.

Russ, NCNE >>

Doesn't always work. A member screwed me who's still held high. Mike >>

Specifics on your "screwing" would give your statement creedance.

harvey85422458 · June 6, 2008 9:32AM

It's not a bad idea but I haven't been here a year yet and I like buying and selling on the BST

LindeDad · June 6, 2008 9:35AM

Luckly been a lot more good than bad for me over there.
Had a problem once that got resolved by the Circle of Trust.

pontiacinf · June 6, 2008 9:39AM

buyer beware, unless I am the seller

seriously there are people on the BST that have been on the forum for many years, and ones who have been around for a few weeks.

I know who id buy from, its a no brainer.

drwstr123 · June 6, 2008 9:50AM

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<< Or those considering a deal could just run a forum search on the seller.

Russ, NCNE >>

Doesn't always work. A member screwed me who's still held high. Mike >>

Specifics on your "screwing" would give your statement creedance. >>

What's the matter, you don't have cable? He PM'd me he was interested in a slab. I sent it to him and I got squat in return. You know, half a trade. Mike

seanq · June 6, 2008 10:08AM

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<< Or those considering a deal could just run a forum search on the seller.

Russ, NCNE >>

Doesn't always work. A member screwed me who's still held high. Mike >>

Specifics on your "screwing" would give your statement creedance. >>

What's the matter, you don't have cable? He PM'd me he was interested in a slab. I sent it to him and I got squat in return. You know, half a trade. Mike >>

Not that anything should surprise me in this hobby any more, but your situation honestly does. He's one of the last people I would have thought would do such a thing.

Sean Reynolds

BAJJERFAN · June 6, 2008 10:20AM

<< buyer beware, unless I am the seller

seriously there are people on the BST that have been on the forum for many years, and ones who have been around for a few weeks.

I know who id buy from, its a no brainer. >>

Care to OUT THEM??

pontiacinf · June 6, 2008 11:06AM

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<< Doesn't always work. A member screwed me who's still held high. Mike >>

Did you out 'em? Assuming, of course, that you gave them every reasonable chance to make it right before you did so? >>

I gave him many, many chances. It was a trade. Unfortunately, it turned out one-sided. He's not posting here, but is active ATS. I affectionately refer to him as CONDOM 101. Mike >>

if your referring to conder101, I find that highly unlikely and unbelieveable. He has always been held in high regards, and I have dealt
with him in the past. He is no longer active here because he was banned due to personal opinion, and I doubt there was a transaction between
you both as he cannot log onto this board anymore as far as I know, and its been that way for over a year. If you did a deal with him ATS
then this should be addressed there.

still doubt what your saying, conder has better things to do with his time.

drwstr123 · June 6, 2008 11:25AM

pontiacinf
Doubt whatever the heck you please. Yes, the supposed trade was awhile ago. I didn't jump right on him because I know things may happen. There was no opportunity to bring this up before without sounding childish. If you wish to PM me, please feel free. Mike

cinman14 · June 6, 2008 11:25AM

<< What's the matter, you don't have cable? >>

What the skittles does that mean? Was this trade on the news networks?

Do you still have your PM's saved from the transaction? Send a copy to pontiacinf
since condor is no longer a member

fcloud · June 6, 2008 11:27AM

I've had good luck with the purchase I made on the BST board. It is too bad they don't all work out.

drwstr123 · June 6, 2008 11:29AM

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<< What's the matter, you don't have cable? >>

What the skittles does that mean? Was this trade on the news networks?

Do you still have your PM's saved from the transaction? Send a copy to pontiacinf
since condor is no longer a member >>

Why don't you, or anyone else who in curious, go ATS and ask him? Mike

cinman14 · June 6, 2008 11:31AM

what the heck is ATS?

It's none of my business. You outed him so I assume you have the proof to back up the claim.

pontiacinf · June 6, 2008 11:33AM

<< pontiacinf
Doubt whatever the heck you please. Yes, the supposed trade was awhile ago. I didn't jump right on him because I know things may happen. There was no opportunity to bring this up before without sounding childish. If you wish to PM me, please feel free. Mike >>

Things happen mike, sometimes a person doesnt know all the facts. I am by no way saying your making this up, I just want all to know that fact.

coinbuf · June 6, 2008 11:40AM

Over the yrs that I've been fortunate enough to be a part of this community I've done many buys, and a couple of sells on the BST. All but one were smooth as silk, but no matter how good the rep people run into bad situations that tant their perspectives and morals in a time of weekness. No mater the saftey-net in place, this can and will happen again.

66Tbird · June 6, 2008 11:45AM

Unfortunately it is going to get worse before it gets better, you know, with the economy and all spinning downward the $ needs for some will outweigh the morality of the situation. I caught and read a super thread the other day where a forum put their collective heads together and caught the guy. Our group has done this on a smaller scale in the past.

Scammer gets caught

greghansen · June 6, 2008 11:52AM

I've never had a bad experience on the BST here. I have had some folks ask me to do some quirky or unusual things, which I have generally declined to do. As far as straight forward negotiated transactions, I've never had anyone back away from a deal.

Mercury10c · June 6, 2008 11:54AM

Exactly what "mess" are you referring to?

seatedcoins · June 6, 2008 12:13PM

<< buyer beware, unless I am the seller

seriously there are people on the BST that have been on the forum for many years, and ones who have been around for a few weeks.

I know who id buy from, its a no brainer.[/]

PerryHall · June 6, 2008 8:50PM

<< what the heck is ATS? >>

Accross The Street = NGC coin forum

TwoSides2aCoin · June 6, 2008 9:17PM

In light of the BST mess, I have widgets for sale, here...
PM me for details

RedneckHB · June 7, 2008 1:10AM

I have been burned on the BST only once, but it was for over $500. I bought a collection that was overstated and overgraded. I returned for a refund that very same day. The seller said I had switched a coin and offered a partial refund. I have a 100% feedback rating on Ebay--nearly 1500 and hundreds of deals on the BST. I feel comfortable saying that I believe no one would have a difficult time dealing with me. After much bickering, I accepted a refund of $2000 from a $2540 deal. Frankly I dont have the time to pursue this as even if I won there is very little chance I would get my money anyway.

But I do have a long memory and will visit central Washington State in the future. The seller is still posting For sale and WTB on the BST.

My word of advice is not to deal with anyone who spells such as the following---tomarrow, alls, submitt, drage, finel, parsal, seddel, begenner, priorety, awere, ect. I could copy a bunch more but it was becoming too difficult to read the PM's

drwstr123 · June 7, 2008 1:18AM

<< I have been burned on the BST only once, but it was for over $500. I bought a collection that was overstated and overgraded. I returned for a refund that very same day. The seller said I had switched a coin and offered a partial refund. I have a 100% feedback rating on Ebay--nearly 1500 and hundreds of deals on the BST. I feel comfortable saying that I believe no one would have a difficult time dealing with me. After much bickering, I accepted a refund of $2000 from a $2540 deal. Frankly I dont have the time to pursue this as even if I won there is very little chance I would get my money anyway.

But I do have a long memory and will visit central Washington State in the future. The seller is still posting For sale and WTB on the BST.

My word of advice is not to deal with anyone who spells such as the following---tomarrow, alls, submitt, drage, finel, parsal, seddel, begenner, priorety, awere, ect. I could copy a bunch more but it was becoming too difficult to read the PM's >>

I hear ya! Mike

ksteelheader · June 7, 2008 1:22AM

<< 

<< what the heck is ATS? >>

Accross The Street = NGC coin forum >>

Well, duh, why didn't he just type NGC. Each has three letters.

19Lyds · June 7, 2008 1:44AM

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<< Or those considering a deal could just run a forum search on the seller.

Russ, NCNE >>

Doesn't always work. A member screwed me who's still held high. Mike >>

Specifics on your "screwing" would give your statement creedance. >>

What's the matter, you don't have cable? He PM'd me he was interested in a slab. I sent it to him and I got squat in return. You know, half a trade. Mike >>

So what was the slab? What was the coin? Was there tracking on it? Did he receive it? Did this happen near the end of 2006 when conder was banned?

What??

"I sent it to him and I got squat in return." is still only half a story.

Edited to add: After all, you've stated who it was, why not complete the rest of the story?

drwstr123 · June 7, 2008 2:15AM

"After all, you've stated who it was, why not complete the rest of the story?"
If you feel that there's more, he's still an avid poster ATS, (bad manners to metion competetion by name) go ask him. Do me a fave...let us know his response. Thanks, Mike

DeusExMachina · June 7, 2008 3:06AM

I too had a BST problem with a fellow member in early 2007. I was sent a cleaned, overgraded coin in the 1k range but was promised an original AU55 example. The seller gave me a story about how he could not accept returns. I waited a few months and sold it on eBay (listed as cleaned with huge pics) and got my money back due to an increase in the price of gold. I decided to give the seller a break but I learned a valuable lesson.

My advice to anyone buying or selling on the BST is buyer beware. Anyone can sign up and begin to post on these forums. Other than this one incident, my BST experiences have been fantastic. Once I began to trade with the pillars of this community, I have not had a single problem.

ksteelheader · June 7, 2008 3:11AM

<< "After all, you've stated who it was, why not complete the rest of the story?"
If you feel that there's more, he's still an avid poster ATS, (bad manners to metion competetion by name) go ask him. Do me a fave...let us know his response. Thanks, Mike >>

You're the one who has done the accusing. Maybe you should go ask him. Then let us know his response.

It's easy as hell to accuse when the accused has no way to respond.

drwstr123 · June 7, 2008 3:22AM

"It's easy as hell to accuse when the accused has no way to respond."
Sir: I am stating a fact. It seems CONDOM 101 has friends and followers here, I'm sure they've been in contact and he may respond through them. I, sir, have no desire to contact the scum. It's a beautiful day here and there's no need to soil it. Sincerely, Mike

BlindedByEgo · June 7, 2008 3:38AM

<< "It's easy as hell to accuse when the accused has no way to respond."
Sir: I am stating a fact. It seems CONDOM 101 has friends and followers here, I'm sure they've been in contact and he may respond through them. I, sir, have no desire to contact the scum. It's a beautiful day here and there's no need to soil it. Sincerely, Mike >>

hey Mike, I guess you learned here that it's ok to out someone, even encouraged - unless they are popular. Then the mob turns on you

The accused has many ways to respond -including directly to the injured party. In dact, that would probably be the best and most productive response.

drwstr123 · June 7, 2008 3:51AM

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<< "It's easy as hell to accuse when the accused has no way to respond."
Sir: I am stating a fact. It seems CONDOM 101 has friends and followers here, I'm sure they've been in contact and he may respond through them. I, sir, have no desire to contact the scum. It's a beautiful day here and there's no need to soil it. Sincerely, Mike >>

hey Mike, I guess you learned here that it's ok to out someone, even encouraged - unless they are popular. Then the mob turns on you

The accused has many ways to respond -including directly to the injured party. In dact, that would probably be the best and most productive response. >>

Isn't that the truth. In fact, if one would search past threads, he's admitted to the fact, but that doesn''t seem to matter. Does it? Oh, to be the Golden Child instead of the enfant gate'. Mike

BAJJERFAN · June 7, 2008 3:51AM

<< I too had a BST problem with a fellow member in early 2007. I was a sent a cleaned, overgraded coin in the 1k range but was promised an original AU55 example. The seller gave me a story about how he could not accept returns. I waited a few months and sold it on eBay (listed as cleaned with huge pics) and got my money back due to an increase in the price of gold. I decided to give the seller a break but I learned a valuable lesson.

My advice to anyone buying or selling on the BST is buyer beware. Anyone can sign up and begin to post on these forums. Other than this one incident, my BST experiences have been fantastic. Once I began to trade with the pillars of this community, I have not had a single problem. >>

So who are the pillars in the "circle of trust"?

coinbuf · June 7, 2008 4:05AM

<< So who are the pillars in the "circle of trust"? >>

How's that saying go, if you have to ask....

RYK · June 7, 2008 4:12AM

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<< So who are the pillars in the "circle of trust"? >>

How's that saying go, if you have to ask....

>>

Here's the original thread on the Circle of Trust™.

BAJJERFAN · June 7, 2008 4:40AM

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<< So who are the pillars in the "circle of trust"? >>

How's that saying go, if you have to ask....

>>

Here's the original thread on the Circle of Trust™. >>

Well I'm pretty sure I know who most of them are or who I'd trust [myself included], but just curious about names I might not be familiar with or have yet to deal with.

ksteelheader · June 7, 2008 4:42AM

<< "It's easy as hell to accuse when the accused has no way to respond."
Sir: I am stating a fact. It seems CONDOM 101 has friends and followers here, I'm sure they've been in contact and he may respond through them. I, sir, have no desire to contact the scum. It's a beautiful day here and there's no need to soil it. Sincerely, Mike >>

Friends? I've never as much as traded a PM with the man. You have accused and only given a hint as to what happened.

drwstr123 · June 7, 2008 4:46AM

"You have accused and only given a hint as to what happened."
I believe the average person gets the gist. Mike

tahoe98 · June 7, 2008 4:52AM

<< what the heck is ATS?

it means across the street, aka ngc.

ksteelheader · June 7, 2008 4:54AM

<< "You have accused and only given a hint as to what happened."
I believe the average person gets the gist. Mike >>

The gist is that you have only told us part of the story.

In light of the BST mess

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