One of my neighbor is an ATF agent. At one neighborhood grill out, we talked about home security systems. His view was home alarms (even thoughs hooked up to the police) have some effectiveness in deterring amatuers, they have little effect against pros. The pros know how to diasarm them, or have a good idea how much time they typically have to go in, get what they want, and leave before the police show up.
He said dogs are more effective than alarms because dogs are unpredictable. Of course there are ways of dealing with dogs to, so .... Off-site secure locations
After 2 break-in's in the last decade while my one of residences was vacant, it's hard to place all the weight of safety on the security system... as with one break in they took off the siding on the rear of the home and came through the wall!
They stole anything they could fit sideways through 16" O/C studs... no more stick frame homes for me!
As now it's cinder and glass block... come huff and puff and blow these walls down!
To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
I have never owned a gun but the image of the 40 cal. Taurus 24/7 looks very appealing. I want to shoot it!!
Diversification is a sound risk mitigation strategy. SDB, safe, kitty litter box, etc. Just don't forget where you put em or 100 yrs from now someone will be posting about a cool find in the wall of an old home!
<< <i>Question for those folks that keep their coins in SDB's. What are you going to do when Pres Obama confiscates all the gold and seals all SDB's for inspection as part of this confiscation? Don't laugh---FDR stole all the gold in 1933 or at least tried to. They later made an exception for rare collector coins but that may not happen again if history repeats itself. >>
I would like to see some citations (from a valid news source) for this ridiculous what-if.
What purpose would be served by such an outrageous law or requirement? In fact, the contents of SDBs are secret.
John >>
It already happened in 1933 so don't say that it could never happen again. Go read a history book.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Question for those folks that keep their coins in SDB's. What are you going to do when Pres Obama confiscates all the gold and seals all SDB's for inspection as part of this confiscation? Don't laugh---FDR stole all the gold in 1933 or at least tried to. They later made an exception for rare collector coins but that may not happen again if history repeats itself. >>
I would like to see some citations (from a valid news source) for this ridiculous what-if.
What purpose would be served by such an outrageous law or requirement? In fact, the contents of SDBs are secret.
John >>
It already happened in 1933 so don't say that it could never happen again. Go read a history book. >>
Total BS. What does what happened in 1933 have to do with Obama, or America in 2008 or 2009? You gave your what-if as if it was something that could actually happen - do you believe this?
I will go read a history book when you take off the tin-foil hat, okay?
John
John C. Knudsen, LM ANA 2342, LM CSNS 337 SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
<< <i>if as if it was something that could actually happen - do you believe this? >>
John---I'll be the first to admit that this scenario is very unlikely but it is not impossible during a period of economic turmoil. There are other reasons that a SDB can be sealed and I was only pointing out that this is a consideration for those chosing to use a SDB.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
There is a simple solution. You can hire my wife. Nobody is getting anything of any nature, of any worth (or no worth,if she is in her spiteful mood) at any time, while she remains breathing. She also has that Medusa thing going on... Respectfully, John Curlis PS-She likes confrontation in all forms.
<< <i>There is a simple solution. You can hire my wife. Nobody is getting anything of any nature, of any worth (or no worth,if she is in her spiteful mood) at any time, while she remains breathing. She also has that Medusa thing going on... Respectfully, John Curlis PS-She likes confrontation in all forms. >>
A pic of Mrs. charley posted for those who don't know who Medusa is?
To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
<< <i>I recommend obtaining insurance for your collection, as it is usually not covered by homeowners insurance, even if the coins are in a bank vault. >>
I have the same security features that you have and also keep my collection fully insured. However, I keep all my coins in our local bank safe deposit boxes.
>>>Personally I would prefer She and her sister roam the perimeter of my property especially at night. <<<
With this kind of Security you would be inviting all the crooks,thugs and thieves in town. Make it the State...NO from the entire Country!!! The Best of The BEST might even show up just to meet your sexurity...oops i stuttered...Security i mean!
<< <i>>>>Personally I would prefer She and her sister roam the perimeter of my property especially at night. <<<
With this kind of Security you would be inviting all the crooks,thugs and thieves in town. Make it the State...NO from the entire Country!!! The Best of The BEST might even show up just to meet your sexurity...oops i stuttered...Security i mean! >>
(1) Safest is distributing your valuables among sevral safe deposit banks at disparate locations. (2) An alarm system and safe are not going to be useful in a home invasion while you are at home and with a big gun at a loved one's head. Of course that can be worse if you have things in the bank and cannot appease the thief. (3) The central alarm system you refer to if useful in your absence only if on the more expensive cellular phone system. The one that is on the home phone is trivially disabled by an dedicated professional thief or really anyone who knows how it works.
The fact is, if someone who is rudimentarily resourceful really wants to get your stuff, they'll find a way. The safe and home alarm might help get cheaper insurance though.
<< <i>if as if it was something that could actually happen - do you believe this? >>
John---I'll be the first to admit that this scenario is very unlikely but it is not impossible during a period of economic turmoil. There are other reasons that a SDB can be sealed and I was only pointing out that this is a consideration for those chosing to use a SDB. >>
Fair enough! Handshake...
John
John C. Knudsen, LM ANA 2342, LM CSNS 337 SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
3) The central alarm system you refer to if useful in your absence only if on the more expensive cellular phone system. The one that is on the home phone is trivially disabled by an dedicated professional thief or really anyone who knows how it works.
I solved this one. When I built my home, I buried the phone line 3 feet a foot beside the main electric line. It goes in an AC chase line that is buried 2 feet into the house, the phone box is inside my communications room in the center of the house. The phone company won't allow the employees to put the phone box inside, but I did my own wiring. The phone line at the far end goes up a metal conduit on a pole that is two houses away. Will be quite unlikely they know which telephone pole is mine. What I am planning to do this summer is install security cameras that I can access on the internet when I'm out of town. I do have a monitored alarm. My alarm is set once it is tripped , that it will turn on the speakers in the house so that the alarm company picks up any conversations.
I have a dummy safe in the floor of the mstr closet right where theifs would expect it. Has cheap costume jewelry in it, always kept unlocked. I have another safe that would be truly 99% impossible to find that is 16 cu feet. However, with all this, I still keep my valuables spread out amongst 5 SDB's.
<< <i>if as if it was something that could actually happen - do you believe this? >>
John---I'll be the first to admit that this scenario is very unlikely but it is not impossible during a period of economic turmoil. There are other reasons that a SDB can be sealed and I was only pointing out that this is a consideration for those chosing to use a SDB. >>
Your wife and her lawyer can lock you SDB as well, I would rather take my chance with the crooks.
PEACE! This is the first day of the rest of your life.
I remember my parents having these when I was young. They kept them in the pantry..They just had stupid stuff in them but were neat to have..They also had a false electrical outlet that opened up that they kept their money and jewlery in..false safe
Go the SDB route and do not advertise that you are a coin collector. Tru-view images make for a nice slide show whenever you want to see what is secure in the SDB.
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<< <i> certainly would not peek into someone's pooperpipe >>
One of my neighbor is an ATF agent. At one neighborhood grill out, we talked about home security systems. His view was home alarms (even thoughs hooked up to the police) have some effectiveness in deterring amatuers, they have little effect against pros. The pros know how to diasarm them, or have a good idea how much time they typically have to go in, get what they want, and leave before the police show up.
He said dogs are more effective than alarms because dogs are unpredictable. Of course there are ways of dealing with dogs to, so .... Off-site secure locations
They stole anything they could fit sideways through 16" O/C studs... no more stick frame homes for me!
As now it's cinder and glass block... come huff and puff and blow these walls down!
<< <i>Two full grown wolf hybrids
patrolling the house and grounds,
and me in my chair, holding
an automatic shotgun. >>
Wouldn't it be better to have two bears in the yard and let the dog do the shooting?
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<< <i>Thinking about this......
Ive come to the conclusion that the best place to hide coins at home is in the cat litter pan
no thief is ever going to break in.....and clean your litter pans
LOL - There's definitely buried treasure in ours!
...
<< <i>Thinking about this......
Ive come to the conclusion that the best place to hide coins at home is in the cat litter pan
no thief is ever going to break in.....and clean your litter pans
ambro51 ,I've gotten a few pretty foul smelling slabs over the years... one coin I almost past out as I got closer with a loupe!
It's nice to finally be able to trace their prior pedigree back to you!
Diversification is a sound risk mitigation strategy. SDB, safe, kitty litter box, etc. Just don't forget where you put em or 100 yrs from now someone will be posting about a cool find in the wall of an old home!
myCCset
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
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<< <i>Question for those folks that keep their coins in SDB's. What are you going to do when Pres Obama confiscates all the gold and seals all SDB's for inspection as part of this confiscation? Don't laugh---FDR stole all the gold in 1933 or at least tried to. They later made an exception for rare collector coins but that may not happen again if history repeats itself. >>
I would like to see some citations (from a valid news source) for this ridiculous what-if.
What purpose would be served by such an outrageous law or requirement? In fact, the contents of SDBs are secret.
John >>
It already happened in 1933 so don't say that it could never happen again. Go read a history book.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Question for those folks that keep their coins in SDB's. What are you going to do when Pres Obama confiscates all the gold and seals all SDB's for inspection as part of this confiscation? Don't laugh---FDR stole all the gold in 1933 or at least tried to. They later made an exception for rare collector coins but that may not happen again if history repeats itself. >>
I would like to see some citations (from a valid news source) for this ridiculous what-if.
What purpose would be served by such an outrageous law or requirement? In fact, the contents of SDBs are secret.
John >>
It already happened in 1933 so don't say that it could never happen again. Go read a history book. >>
Total BS. What does what happened in 1933 have to do with Obama, or America in 2008 or 2009?
You gave your what-if as if it was something that could actually happen - do you believe this?
I will go read a history book when you take off the tin-foil hat, okay?
John
SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
Yes... but I had one Bank rep tell me years ago that Body Parts where not acceptable!
<< <i>if as if it was something that could actually happen - do you believe this? >>
John---I'll be the first to admit that this scenario is very unlikely but it is not impossible during a period of economic turmoil. There are other reasons that a SDB can be sealed and I was only pointing out that this is a consideration for those chosing to use a SDB.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>He and his brothers roam the perimeter of my property especially at night.
My 7yr old would FREAK OUT if this clown showed up at his B-day party...
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<< <i>He and his brothers roam the perimeter of my property especially at night.
My 7yr old would FREAK OUT if this clown showed up at his B-day party...
The lyrics are actually... Insane in the membrane, Insane in the brain!
Personally I would prefer She and her sister roam the perimeter of my property especially at night.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>He and his brothers roam the perimeter of my property especially at night.
My 7yr old would FREAK OUT if this clown showed up at his B-day party...
The lyrics are actually... Insane in the membrane, Insane in the brain!
I was scared at stuttering at the time...GOSH Broadstruck cut me some slack..That's a scary clown..
<< <i>There is a simple solution. You can hire my wife. Nobody is getting anything of any nature, of any worth (or no worth,if she is in her spiteful mood) at any time, while she remains breathing. She also has that Medusa thing going on... Respectfully, John Curlis PS-She likes confrontation in all forms. >>
A pic of Mrs. charley posted for those who don't know who Medusa is?
<< <i>I recommend obtaining insurance for your collection, as it is usually not covered by homeowners insurance, even if the coins are in a bank vault. >>
the only bright bulb, so far
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
With this kind of Security you would be inviting all the crooks,thugs and thieves in town. Make it the State...NO from the entire Country!!! The Best of The BEST might even show up just to meet your sexurity...oops i stuttered...Security i mean!
http://www.butternut.org/coins/tip4.html
<< <i>>>>Personally I would prefer She and her sister roam the perimeter of my property especially at night. <<<
With this kind of Security you would be inviting all the crooks,thugs and thieves in town. Make it the State...NO from the entire Country!!! The Best of The BEST might even show up just to meet your sexurity...oops i stuttered...Security i mean!
(2) An alarm system and safe are not going to be useful in a home invasion while you are at home and with a big gun at a loved one's head. Of course that can be worse if you have things in the bank and cannot appease the thief.
(3) The central alarm system you refer to if useful in your absence only if on the more expensive cellular phone system. The one that is on the home phone is trivially disabled by an dedicated professional thief or really anyone who knows how it works.
The fact is, if someone who is rudimentarily resourceful really wants to get your stuff, they'll find a way. The safe and home alarm might help get cheaper insurance though.
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<< <i>
<< <i>if as if it was something that could actually happen - do you believe this? >>
John---I'll be the first to admit that this scenario is very unlikely but it is not impossible during a period of economic turmoil. There are other reasons that a SDB can be sealed and I was only pointing out that this is a consideration for those chosing to use a SDB. >>
Fair enough! Handshake...
John
SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
The pin is mightier than the sword
3) The central alarm system you refer to if useful in your absence only if on the more expensive cellular phone system. The one that is on the home phone is trivially disabled by an dedicated professional thief or really anyone who knows how it works.
I solved this one. When I built my home, I buried the phone line 3 feet a foot beside the main electric line. It goes in an AC chase line that is buried 2 feet into the house, the phone box is inside my communications room in the center of the house. The phone company won't allow the employees to put the phone box inside, but I did my own wiring. The phone line at the far end goes up a metal conduit on a pole that is two houses away. Will be quite unlikely they know which telephone pole is mine.
What I am planning to do this summer is install security cameras that I can access on the internet when I'm out of town. I do have a monitored alarm. My alarm is set once it is tripped , that it will turn on the speakers in the house so that the alarm company picks up any conversations.
I have a dummy safe in the floor of the mstr closet right where theifs would expect it. Has cheap costume jewelry in it, always kept unlocked. I have another safe that would be truly 99% impossible to find that is 16 cu feet.
However, with all this, I still keep my valuables spread out amongst 5 SDB's.
WOW!!!
<< <i>
<< <i>if as if it was something that could actually happen - do you believe this? >>
John---I'll be the first to admit that this scenario is very unlikely but it is not impossible during a period of economic turmoil. There are other reasons that a SDB can be sealed and I was only pointing out that this is a consideration for those chosing to use a SDB. >>
Your wife and her lawyer can lock you SDB as well, I would rather take my chance with the crooks.
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>GET A CELL PHONE BACK-UP FOR UR ALARM SYSTEM IF UR NOT GOING TO USE A SDB
Our systems have just been changed to digital backup, cell is outdated.
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>16 cu feet......now that is one big safe. No need to bolt that one to the floor >>
it aint that big! 2x2x4 or something like that...but i get your drift
<< <i>just line your master closet with steel plate sheet rock over it and secure the opening with this
That would make a cool front door... Oops must have watched "I Am Legend" once to many times?
Your worst enemy is opening your mouth to a person who has loose lips or alterior motives. And that could be just about anybody.
Heck, your wife could just take the stuff and you'd be out scout because legally it's hers.
Spread the risk.
Mark
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