Amerian coins are a by product of what empire?
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American coins are a by product of The Roman empire, why?
we put leaders in government on coins, Like the Romans did.
We use symbolism that represent another civilization before us why?
How much do we take from the Egyptian civilization?
we put leaders in government on coins, Like the Romans did.
We use symbolism that represent another civilization before us why?
How much do we take from the Egyptian civilization?
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I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
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The bust of the reigning emperor was stamped on their coinage we honor our deceased heroes.
We use classic symbols of western civilization because we’re a western culture.
Egypt greatly influenced early western culture and still does so that we have some symbolism in common isn't surprising.
There are definitely many similarities between the coinage of most western countries and that of Rome, but after all “There is nothing new under the sun“
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How much do we take from the Egyptian civilization? >>
The more you look into this question the more you find. Far more comes from
Egypt than one sees on the surface. Even most of the world's religions have
their roots in Egypt.
We don't see these connections directly because many come through interme-
diaries. I suspect there would be more obvious connections but there exist
some bad translations of the ancient language which obscure the facts and the
meanings.
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19th & 20th Century coins from Great Britain and the Realm
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<< <i>The Romans were the first to use coinage as an expression of the political values of the state. Now everyone does it. The United States is not nearly unique in that regard. >>
Were the Romans really the first? What about the Greeks? Or maybe the Chinese?
<< <i>Ancient Egypt didn't have coins. >>
Yeah, I know.
Incredibly I was just reading something where some geologist thinks they
used numilities (coin shaped fossils), but then I have a lot of doubt in his
geological opinions as well.
There's a surprising amount of dispute about the composition of the
pyramids at Giza. There's even less agreement about how they were built.
<< <i>Did the ancient Egyptians have any sort of media of exchange? >>
Discussion on ancient Egyptian coins, or lack thereof, can be found here. Egypt was basically a barter economy until the Persian and Greek invasions. Egyptian hoards of Athenian tetradrachms, where each and every coin has a huge gouge through it, demonstrate that even when the Egyptians had foreign-sourced coinage available, the coins were treated simply as pieces of bullion.
<< <i>Were the Romans really the first? What about the Greeks? Or maybe the Chinese? >>
Chinese coins didn't start to carry "political messages" until the Tang Dynasty (621 AD). The Greeks did make occasional use of "propaganda themes" for their coin designs (for instance, several cities issued coins in celebration of victories won at the ancient Olympics) but it was the Romans who first made full use of the medium of coinage for disseminating propaganda. Virtually every single Roman coin carried a subtle or not-so-subtle message about the Empire, the emperor or imperial family, or the role citizens were expected to play. Compared to Roman propaganda coins, modern coinage is normally quite mild.
Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
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<< <i>Ancient Egypt didn't have coins. >>
Yeah, I know.
Incredibly I was just reading something where some geologist thinks they
used numilities (coin shaped fossils), but then I have a lot of doubt in his
geological opinions as well.
There's a surprising amount of dispute about the composition of the
pyramids at Giza. There's even less agreement about how they were built. >>
This is not Egyptian?
reverse of Ancient Egyptian Bronze Tetradrachm of Ptolemy
Egyptians did have a great understanding for metal, and making alloys, also they may have even blown glass before the venetian did.
Link, a more in depth study.
Egyptian hieroglyphics had been used by the Egyptians for thousands of years. However, a particularly bleak period of Egyptian history is the conquest of Egypt by Persia. The Egyptians were dominated by Persian intruders. The events that changed the nature of Egypt were not the Persian conquest but rather the war between Persia (the rulers of Egypt) and the united Greek city-states. Greece had originally been united by Philip of Macedon and then ruled effectively by Alexander the Great. Alexander defeated the Persian forces and then took his army to Egypt. There he was welcomed as a conquering hero by the Egyptians because he brought an end to Persian rule. He was made a god by the Egyptians as well as a pharaoh. He, however, had other campaigns to wage and took his army off to the Middle East and the Indus River Valley leaving a regent in charge of Egypt.
Thank you for your contributions. Lets see some ancient coins.
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It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
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<< <i>This is not Egyptian?
reverse of Ancient Egyptian Bronze Tetradrachm of Ptolemy >>
It's from Egypt, but struck by the Greek rulers of Egypt, the Ptolemaic dynasty. The culture of these "latter day pharaohs" was Greek (though they slowly adopted bits and pieces of Egyptian culture as it suited them), and the language on the coin is Greek. These coins are definitely part of the "Greek series" - specifically, the "Hellenistic Monarchies" that succeeded Alexander the Great.
Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
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in the prism of actual knowledge even our current progress might be seen as only a hic-
cough and not true advancement. It is simply an explosion of technology caused by our
ability to create the ephemera which leads to innovation and new knowledge.
Man became man some 40,000+ years ago when an individual was born with a supersized
speech center. This individual invented language and passed down the ability to use it
through his genes. Very quickly this adaption took over because individuals and groups
without it could not compete.
It then took 35,000 years for someone to invent writing and the honey-do list was invented.
Carving everything in stone was cumbersome so paper arose after a few hundred years.
Then the pyramids were build. It required another few hundred years for some genius (or
series of geniuses) to invent the wheel. Then more than a millineum went by until someone
invented coins. This was a critical invention by the way because of its ability to fascilitate
commerce and reward innovation. It rarely gets much credit but coins were critical to man's
rise.
Coins were not used in the ancient Egypt to which I refer and were far in the distant future.
They did have a sort of barter where the base was a weight of copper. No money but a monitary system.
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<< <i>Did the ancient Egyptians have any sort of media of exchange? >>
Most probably not as we know it.
They used barter and a system of taxation which involved
part of the crop and labor to be paid to the king. It seems
to have worked adequately for their needs but their needs
would have been very simple in comparison to modern eco-
nomies. Eveidence suggests they had most of the luxuries
we take for granted but they acquired and exchanged them
in simpler ways.
<< <i>Did the ancient Egyptians have any sort of media of exchange?
They did have a sort of barter where the base was a weight of copper. No money but a monitary system. >>
Copper was important to the Egyptians as far back as the invention of writing but there's
no evidence to my knowledge that it was used as more than a store of value and for the
necessities of daily life. Gold was known much earlier and was used for royal purposes and
jewelry. Silver was scarce.
The Egyptians were acquainted with iron at least as far back as around 2800 BC but most
of what they had was meteoritic in origin. They had lodestone and small amounts of smelt-
ed iron apparently produced accidently in the smelting of copper. Iron was highly prized but
very little survives since it appears to have rusted away. A large piece of high carbon iron
was found embedded in the Great Pyramid. This may have been worked by beating charcoal
into it.
At one time silver was worth more than gold.
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<< <i>Silver was scarce.
At one time silver was worth more than gold. >>
I wasn't aware of this.
Was this before writing?
If it was we wouldn't know about it.
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<< <i>Silver was scarce.
At one time silver was worth more than gold.
I wasn't aware of this.
Was this before writing? >>
<< <i>Was this before writing?
If it was we wouldn't know about it. >>
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Is it true then? When was it?
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<< <i>I believe I read about it in the early 18th dynasty. Gold could be found in chunks, silver is rare in its native form. But gold was valued for its relationship to the sun god Ra. >>
Silver was quite scarce in Egypt but they were thought to have been
mining gold in quantities approaching several hundred tons before the
first intermediate period if memory serves.
It would be fascinating to know what was being imported and exported
in those days but the only things I've run across in original documentation
is some export of papyrus, (probably paper as well) and some grain (spelt).
Imports were myrrh, (used largely in mummyification), silver, and cedar wood.
(from Lebannon)
There's little doubt that there was much more trade than this and there is a
lot of evidence of more trade.
The ancients were far more sophisticated than most realize. It's remarkable
how much can be done without even the wheel.
<< <i> The ancients were far more sophisticated than most realize. It's remarkable
how much can be done without even the wheel. >>
They had the wheel. The wheel most likely originated in ancient Mesopotamia in the 4th millennium BC. It's the Americas that didn't have the wheel.
beer was a drink for everyone, even kids.
workers were sometimes paid in beer, kind of like Russia were you can be paid in vodka.. A good trade item in my opinion.
wheat got there roots from Egypt. Their guests were offered cones of perfumed wax and lotus flowers, They ate the finest meats, breads, cakes, wine, figs and dates. Trading food must have been one of there exports, oil, wine. their is mention of money, and corn being used as a tax in the rosetta stone text .
Also I want to add, important attributes that are symbolized on coins for thousands of years, they most likely got there roots from ancient Egypt.
we have used animals on coins for many years, here is a brief paragraph I located.
The Egyptians had for most things in nature. Many animals were sacred, including the cat, the bull, the fish, the jackal, the ram, the boar, the frog and the lion. The serpent figures prominently in many Egyptian myths. The serpent even had the power to poison the great Ra. Because of its great power, the serpent became a symbol of the Pharaohs themselves. Virtually every god and goddess was associated with one or more animals and in some instances might appear in the form of their chosen animal-familiar. A person might lose his own life if he killed a sacred animal.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
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<< <i> The ancients were far more sophisticated than most realize. It's remarkable
how much can be done without even the wheel. >>
They had the wheel. The wheel most likely originated in ancient Mesopotamia in the 4th millennium BC. It's the Americas that didn't have the wheel. >>
There's quite a bit of disagreement about this but there's no evidence that
the Egyptians had the wheel at the time the pyramids were built.
the vulture
The vulture was the symbol of Upper Egypt. Pharaohs wore the uraeus (cobra) and the head of a vulture on their foreheads as symbols of royal protection. The goddess Nekhbet was also portrayed as a vulture.
The key mentioned is god, and for protection. also the rope was used as protection.
Notice the wing with stars and stripes, like that of the wing mentioned above that looked like a flag.
therefore it is my opinion that the vulture is depicted instead of the eagle, on Egyptian/Greek coinage.
It breeds in forest and savannah across sub-Saharan Africa, usually near water, its range coinciding with that of the Oil Palm. I
This is an unmistakable bird as an adult. Its plumage is all white except for black areas in its wings. It has a red patch around the eye. The immature, which takes 5 years to mature, is brown with a yellow eye patch. In flight this species resembles an eagle more than a typical vulture, and it can sustain flapping flight, so it does not depend on thermals.
This vulture gets its name from its favourite food, which, uniquely for a bird of prey, is not meat, but the nut of the Oil Palm. It will also take dead fish.
Rope circle..
The sacred circle filled with a cross, four equal lines pointing from the center to the spirits of the north, east, south, and west -- or to the basic element: earth, water, air, and fire. In Native American traditions, it forms the basic pattern of the MEDICINE WHEEL and plays a vital part in major spiritual rituals. Churches have used variations of the same popular shape, usually calling it the Celtic Cross.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
Portrayed as a vulture, Nekhbet was the principal goddess of Upper Egypt, whose king she protected. Her northern counterpart was the cobra goddess Wadjet.
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far left background were the structure with a statue on top is still clearly visible. taken from the mars rover.
Portrayed as a vulture, Nekhbet was the principal goddess of Upper Egypt.
Therefore the link between Germany with its hunger for power, and America for its same influences as a police state ties all the way back to
Egypt, were they get there roots.
Septimius Severus, 9 April 193 - 4 February 211 A.D., Laodicea ad Mare, Coele-Syria
Silver tetradrachm, Prieur 1163, superb EF, Laodicea ad Mare mint, 13.375g, 27.3mm, 0o, 209 - 211 A.D.; obverse AYT KAI CEOVHPOC CE, laureate and draped bust right; reverse DHMARC EX UPATOC TO G, eagle standing facing,
we need a Rosetta stone to erase all the corruption from previous presidents.. Text
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
Apparently remains of wooden arcs had been known of, they obviously weren't the remains of wheels and had been dismissed as curious but unimportant.
Some smarty realized that if lashed to the blocks, the blocks themselves would become wheels that could be rolled up temporary ramps. This is a very economical use of the scarce wood supply and quite easy to accomplish without the need of advanced engineering. I personally think this theory holds great promise.
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Its a vulture! Persian took Egypt, and stole there symbol of the gods, this coin has the vulture in the hand. symbolic of destroying the empire..
Also I don't know any eagle that would land on a hand, I know a few vultures that will.
The rope appearers again, for protection...
The Persians ruled Egypt from 525 BC, successfully fighting off the Libyans. After the Greek victory at Marathon in 490 BC, the Egyptians revolted (in 484 and again in 460 BC) with the help of the Athenians, but unsuccessfully.
In 404 BC Egypt succeeded in becoming independent, thanks to Persian weakness.
America took from egypt in another way too, the reeded edge. symbolic of a rope, again for protection.
Other older American coins must also have this attribute of the rope.
Kingdom of Thrace, Lysimachus, 323 - 281 B.C.
note the star under the seat.
Cappadocian Kingdom, Ariarathes I, 333 - 322 B.C.
5049. Bronze AE 22, BMC 55, Bellinger A490, SNG München 61 var, SNG von Aulock 7553, gVF, 6.616g, 21.7mm, 0o, reigns of Valerian and Gallienus; obverse CO TROA, turreted bust of Tyche right, vexillum behind; reverse COL AV TRO, eagle, with open wings, standing right on forepart of a bull;
ITS A VULTURE!
Alexandria, Troas, c. 253 - 268 A.D
12877. Silver 1/4 drachm or denarius, Meshorer, Sup. 4; Schmitt-Korte and Price,"Nabataean Coinage III", NumChron 1994, pl. 10, choice VF, Petra mint, 1.069g, 12.0mm, 0o, obverse diademed head of Obodas II, Syllaes' Aramaic monogram (shin) behind; reverse S (Shin = Syllaeus) and H (Het = Aretas) in wreath; very rare
Nabataean Kingdom, Syllaeus and Aretas IV, 9 B.C. First wreath coin? to replace the rope?
Magnesia ad Maeandrum, Ionia, c. 160 - 150 B.C. First wreath coin? to replace the rope?
27139. Silver tetradrachm, BMC Ionia 37, SNG Von Aulock 2042, SNG Cop -, EF, Magnesia ad Maeandrum mint, 17.162g, 34.2mm, 0o, c. 160 - 150 B.C.; obverse bust of Artemis the Hunter wearing stephane, bow & quiver at shoulder, reverse MAGNHTWN / ERASIPPOS / ARISTEOU, Apollo naked standing half left, l. arm resting on tripod, filleted branch in r., Maeander pattern below, magistrate's name with patronymic l., all within laurel wreath; beautiful!
Silver half shekel, Prier 1464, RPC 4694, BMC -, aVF, Tyre or Jerusalem mint, 6.205g, 19.9mm, 0o, 35 - 36 A.D.; obverse laureate head of Melqarth right, lion's skin knotted around neck; reverse TUROU IERAS KAI ASULOU (of Tyre the holy and inviolable), eagle standing l., r. foot on ship's ram, palm frond behind, RXA (year 161 = 35/36 A.D.) and club l., KP and CS monogram r., Phoenician letter between legs; rare
ITS A VULTURE!
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I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
You mean the pyramids wern't built by aliens from outer space.
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GREEK. The oldest Egyptian coins I know of are gold found in southern Egypt. They are of a Greek design with the hieroglyph for "gold" added. Probably minted in Memphis. They were found near the site of a Greek settlement. Even before Alexander you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a Greek.
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<< <i>I had read an interesting article over a year ago about a new theory on how the pyramids were built.
Apparently remains of wooden arcs had been known of, they obviously weren't the remains of wheels and had been dismissed as curious but unimportant.
Some smarty realized that if lashed to the blocks, the blocks themselves would become wheels that could be rolled up temporary ramps. This is a very economical use of the scarce wood supply and quite easy to accomplish without the need of advanced engineering. I personally think this theory holds great promise. >>
The arcs you refer to are pie shaped and about 1/6 of a circle. There is a vertical
hole near the center and the outside edge has two grooves each nearly an inch in
diameter.
They can not be assembled into a circle using the center hole. There is a theory
that they were used at the tops of scaffolding to provide a means to attach stab-
iling ropes but these are overbuilt for such a purpose and it wouldn't explain why
most of these are found in the desert. While they are referred to as "proto-pul-
leys" there is simply no chance that they were used in such a manner.
Manetho said the stones were pulled up to the pyramids a bowshot (300') at a
time. With an 8" peg through the center hole these would make excellent coup-
lings to lash stones together to move as a unit. A large force exerted on several
stones tied without a coupling would put enormous forces on the ropes and the
acceleration would be quite high. If these were mounted toward the bottom of
stones with the grooves in the ropes a stone in front could be connected with a
simple sling. This would get these weights moving one after another saving wear
and tear on the ropes and anything connected to them.
These couplings would be used over and over as they transported 2 1/2 million
stones to the site. The only ones which might survive are those which were thrown
clear when the peg broke. They would be found in the desert without the center
peg. And this is what we have.
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<< <i>The are many theories on how the pyramids were built. None are proven. I go with the "long ramp." >>
The quarry is much too close to the pyramid for this. They'd have to haul the stone nearly
a mile away from the pyramid before they started pulling it up. A single ramp would have to
be a few lanes wide to get enough stone up to finish it. The necessary manpower would
strain the economy.
All of the traditional theories are really quite incredible and the egyptologists want to evade
the question altogether. There is remarkably little effort being expended to solve this crit-
ical question and those in charge even impede some of the researchers trying to answer it.
Just last summer they refused to allow radar imaging which might answer if there was inter-
nal ramping. They seem to be afraid that answering the question would reduce interest and
tourism. They also hold all information for ransom since they want everything back that has
been removed from Egypt over the millinea.
Any theory which is put forth to be taken seriously has to answer why the Egyptians didn't
make a record of the technique used. They drew and wrote about even the minutia of day
to day life but there is nary a word on building the pyramids unless you take the Pyramid Texts
literally.
Notice the first letter in our alphabet must be taken from the picture above.
look at the first stamp, notice the A in usa looks like this bird.
bird turned right, the right wing, bird turned to the left wing.. very political.
notice we are now standing left, like the German stamp.
The mummification process left the heart in the mummy, because the heart was weighed in the afterworld, for passage to the heavens, if it weighed heavy it is said the soul would be tossed to the animal gods, and ripped apart.
EGYPTIAN Bronze COIN - 230 BC,
Reign of Ptolemy III (247 to 222 BC) !!
ZEUS-AMMON (Greek/Egyptian God)
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
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<< <i>Early coinage also took quite a bit of symbology from France. >>
still looking for a link to France, none found.
Would you be more specific?
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
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A pair of vultures.
<< <i>the name for an Egyptian vulture is synonymous with the term applied to lovers, for vultures like pigeons are always seen in pairs. >>
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
Hieroglyphs are not, repeat NOT, an alphabet. I once took up the study of hieroglyphs. I gaind a lot of respect for that Frenchman who first cracked the translation.
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<< <i>
How much do we take from the Egyptian civilization? >>
The more you look into this question the more you find. Far more comes from
Egypt than one sees on the surface. Even most of the world's religions have
their roots in Egypt.
We don't see these connections directly because many come through interme-
diaries. I suspect there would be more obvious connections but there exist
some bad translations of the ancient language which obscure the facts and the
meanings. >>
obscure fact one.
Will you agree, that the vulture is depicted on these coins, and is taken from Egypt, not the eagle?
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
<< <i>is the first letter of the Egyptian alphabet. It is roughly pronounced "ah."
Hieroglyphs are not, repeat NOT, an alphabet. I once took up the study of hieroglyphs. I gaind a lot of respect for that Frenchman who first cracked the translation. >>
I always thought it was a woman, a dame by the name of Miss Stone... I can't remember her first name now. Was it Rosey?
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How much do we take from the Egyptian civilization? >>
The more you look into this question the more you find. Far more comes from
Egypt than one sees on the surface. Even most of the world's religions have
their roots in Egypt.
We don't see these connections directly because many come through interme-
diaries. I suspect there would be more obvious connections but there exist
some bad translations of the ancient language which obscure the facts and the
meanings. >>
obscure fact one.
Will you agree, that the vulture is depicted on these coins, and is taken from Egypt, not the eagle?
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing. >>
I don't know. Vultures are mentioned in the Pyramid Texts but if memory serves a
type of eagle is mentioned as well.
I really think it's possible that a lot more connections will be found over the next
few decades. It's unlikely the race is much different today than it was 40,000 years
ago which was probably before man even came to the Nile Valley.
Much of all civilization and culture began in Egypt.
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<< <i>is the first letter of the Egyptian alphabet. It is roughly pronounced "ah."
Hieroglyphs are not, repeat NOT, an alphabet. I once took up the study of hieroglyphs. I gaind a lot of respect for that Frenchman who first cracked the translation. >>
I always thought it was a woman, a dame by the name of Miss Stone... I can't remember her first name now. Was it Rosey? >>
Chompollian or smoething like that.
The heiroglyphs are pictographic but they are nearly equivalent to letters.
Horapollo from ancient times wrote extensively about reading these but most
of his specifics were in error. For this reason and the fact that all of his works
save one were destroyed when Alexander the Great burned the Library of Alex-
andria in 1 AD almost all his writing is discounted.
The Pyramid Texts weren't discovered until around 1870 and were translated
by Masperro first if memory serves. Mercer made my favorite translation in
1952.
type of eagle is mentioned as well.
Come on, for real an honorable mention does not exceed the gods.
How much more proof do you need?
Nekhbet
A goddess portrayed as a vulture. Protrectress of Upper Egypt.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
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The mummification process left the heart in the mummy, because the heart was weighed in the afterworld, for passage to the heavens, if it weighed heavy it is said the soul would be tossed to the animal gods, and ripped apart. >>
This was the trial of Ma'at over which Osiris presided.
If the heart weighed the same as a feather then the owner could enter the heaven which
was in the west. They farmed in heaven but the living was easy.
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2082a. Atum has done that which he said he would do for N.,
2082b. (for) he binds the ladder for him, he makes the ladder firm for N.
2082c. (Thus) N. is removed from the horror of mankind;
2082d. the arms of N. are not a horror to the gods.