Question about 707 Sports Cards and a transaction I am pondering

AnkurJ · May 29, 2008 12:56AM

I have a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 1 that I am looking to move. He is interested in buying it, but wants me to send the card, and THEN he will send payment. I said isnt it supposed to be the other way around? That he pays me first?

He told me that he doesnt do it that way, and that if he did that, he would never get some cards from the people selling to him.

What would you do in this case? Philly is 2 hours away from me. I dont want to drive due to gas costs, but I am considering the train....

What would you do?

Ankur

julen23 · May 29, 2008 12:59AM

is it worthwhile to sell on e-bay first?

he doesn't sound too interested if you ask me.

j

AnkurJ · May 29, 2008 1:01AM

Possibly with ebay, but then with all the fees etc etc. Was hoping to avoid that, but it might be the only route.

ping4u43 · May 29, 2008 1:05AM

IMO You can Trust Levi from 707 Sports Cards to do just as he has indicated he will do. He is one of the larger dealers in Mantle Rookie Cards

MeteoriteGuy · May 29, 2008 1:07AM

If the price works for you, I would just mail it to him. So I guess, I would not worry.

Mark

Leiascards · May 29, 2008 1:11AM

Usually if you approach them to solicit the card for purchase you will have to send the card first to them. Most large companies that buy like that require the seller to send first.

augustaman · May 29, 2008 1:11AM

I'm sure you won't have any trouble at all with Levi.

baseballfan · May 29, 2008 1:14AM

i don't think i would worry about levi sending the funds, he's a national dealer and is always at the philly show and i think the nationals. he seems reputable and is well know around the hobby. i would be more worried about the postal service. if philly is only 2 hours away i would go and do the transaction in person if only because i like the philly shows and would be a nice trip. there's a lot to see there.

good luck with it

Gonblott · May 29, 2008 1:16AM

Well if I was the owner of that nice card I would demand payment first. Who cares if its Levi or Howard Stern.....why take the chance?

Wait for another buyer to come along, I can almost guarantee someone else will be interested.

Just my opinion.

cohocorp · May 29, 2008 1:29AM

you can trust levi. he is a stand up guy.

Griffins · May 29, 2008 1:31AM

You're not going to have any problems with Levi and Jim. It's not unusual for dealers to require sellers they don't know to send the cards first- with all due respect you are unknown, and they have spent years building a solid reputation.
I often offer cards to them before I put them on ebay. They pay quickly, don't quibble over prices, and are pleasant and professional to deal with.

WinPitcher · May 29, 2008 1:55AM

You can trust him.

Steve

jimq112 · May 29, 2008 4:31AM

I feel like an echo but I agree with everybody else who said they would trust him. If you're selling it because you need the $ fast, he's a more reliable sale than you will find on ebay. You probably get a little less than if you get a good sale on ebay but the fast and reliable makes up for some of that.

I was interested for my father in law but before I spent his $ I asked and he can't swing it right now. Lots of people can't swing it right now, levi can afford it any time and from what I've heard he pays more than most dealers.

Registered mail insured for what you're selling it for is probably not that much cheaper than gas. Might be worth the drive to see his inventory. It's an eye opener for sure!

bigred1 · May 29, 2008 4:50AM

Seems to me, would be worth the trip, get it in hand, check out inventory, be done, two hours not a long trip.

2dueces · May 29, 2008 5:04AM

If you are happy with the price, send him the card. Your money will soon follow.

storm888 · May 29, 2008 5:09AM

"...You can Trust Levi from 707 Sports Cards to do just as he has indicated he will do..."

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Yup. There will never be a problem with him failing to follow through with his deals.

I am wondering if such a card might not also bring a good price on EBAY or the BST.

ymarea · May 29, 2008 5:10AM

Broken record here, but I would trust him. Although his card prices may be higher than some, Levi has always given me absolutely first rate service. He's always been a pleasure to deal with.

msassin · May 29, 2008 5:11AM

Send it to them, you won't have any problems with him (or Jimmy).

Zixx · May 29, 2008 5:44AM

Kind of funny how some of you guys don't remember back to the pre-ebay, mail order days of sportscards! To think a random person could receive payment before sending a card via mail contact is pretty stupid, really.

Think about it, we all know who Levi is, yet does anyone know who you or I are? Nope. It's always the procedure for a company to receive an item and THEN send you payment. It even just makes sense.

The important thing is the shipping. Get delivery con, signature con, package VERY well and you'll be fine. But in the end, if you're that worried(and it's totally understandable) just drive the trip and have the peace of mind when you leave with a check in hand. Although, you could always ask if Levi would throw in a $20 to help with the gas

But also, you'll be saving on Ebay/Paypal fees too

RedNeckBilly · May 29, 2008 5:56AM

How much money are you asking for the card? Maybe someone here will buy it from you and send you the funds.

Allen · May 29, 2008 6:04AM

Post a scan. I might buy it. haha

stevek · May 29, 2008 6:31AM

No dealer for any product on this green earth is gonna send payment first for something to someone they don't know.

And yes you can definitely trust 707 Sportscards.

perkdog · May 29, 2008 6:47AM

If you think your getting a fair deal then I would send it to him without hesitation, he is reputable. This is coming from me, someone who does not do bussiness with him either way, but I know he wouldnt rip anyone off like that.

AnkurJ · May 29, 2008 7:17AM

I have had the card on the BST board for the last few days. I am asking what I paid which is $3800.
Ankur

chaz43 · May 29, 2008 7:23AM

Send the card registered mail with a typed and signed letter laying out all of the details. He is a National dealer. chaz

AnkurJ · May 29, 2008 7:59AM

Link to the sale page:

1952 Topps Mantle PSA1

Goodsport40 · May 29, 2008 8:36AM

My .02:

I think you are OK selling it to Levi. He has a great reputation and is well respected in the collecting community. Send to him with all the appropriate insurance, etc. and you should be OK.

Robert

Allen · May 29, 2008 10:47AM

Is he going to pay the $3800? I am curious to see what the card will be priced for on his site.

Gonblott · May 29, 2008 10:51AM

$5k?

perkdog · May 29, 2008 11:32AM

$7K?

goose3 · May 29, 2008 11:52AM

One Billion Dollars.

AnkurJ · May 29, 2008 12:07PM

<< Is he going to pay the $3800? I am curious to see what the card will be priced for on his site. >>

OR anyone here can have it for $3700. Limited time offer.

nam812 · May 29, 2008 12:50PM

Of course I'm just guessing here, but I would be very surprised if Levi's offer started with a 3.

Stone193 · May 29, 2008 12:58PM

Very respected company and people.

Plus with a name like Levi Bleam?

Ya can't go wrong.

He used to be in a British invasion band in the 60s!

mike

mickeymantle24 · May 29, 2008 12:59PM

I believe you would have no problem dealing with 707!!!!

KbKards · May 29, 2008 2:00PM

Wow! You made a deal with a well known dealer to sell a card and your only concern when starting this thread was whether or not you could trust the dealer to do what he said he would do. The response was overwhelming that you'd have no problem getting paid if you sent the guy the card. Now you're trying to sell the card in the same thread that questioned whether or not the dealer was honorable. Do you really think anybody reading this thread would send you money when you just showed everyone how a deal you made is subject to change at your whim. What a shock that an experienced well known dealer would want to see the merchandise first prior to sending some stranger $3700.

storm888 · May 29, 2008 2:15PM

recbball · May 29, 2008 2:18PM

Could you wait till there is a card show in your area that he will attend?

AnkurJ · May 29, 2008 2:25PM

<< Wow! You made a deal with a well known dealer to sell a card and your only concern when starting this thread was whether or not you could trust the dealer to do what he said he would do. The response was overwhelming that you'd have no problem getting paid if you sent the guy the card. Now you're trying to sell the card in the same thread that questioned whether or not the dealer was honorable. Do you really think anybody reading this thread would send you money when you just showed everyone how a deal you made is subject to change at your whim. What a shock that an experienced well known dealer would want to see the merchandise first prior to sending some stranger $3700. >>

No deal was made. I told him I will think about it and get back to him. And yes, I was concerned to send an item worth close to $4k out to someone without getting 1 cent for it first. Before the comments of people in this thread, I did not know that much about Levi or his business. Does this thread and my question make me feel more comfortable? YES.
Do you send money to strangers EVERY time you use ebay and sometimes the BST fourm? YES. And yet you trust them right?

Would YOU ever send a high dollar card to a collector or dealer that you do not know without getting any money first? I seriously doubt it.

Were your sarcastic remarks needed? No.

Nuff Said,
AJ

KbKards · May 29, 2008 2:51PM

If there was discussion on payment being sent then a deal was obviously struck. Had he agreed to send you payment in advance then this thread would not have occurred. You'd have $3700 and hopefully he would get the card he paid for. Since you brought up how Ebay transactions go I'll explain it to you. Picture a zero feedback seller offering to sell a $3700 1952 Mantle card. It's a high scam prone card and few people in their right mind would bid because there's no reason to trust the seller. Now picture a 5000 feedback seller offering to sell the same $3700 card. The winner will feel confident that when he sends money he'll get the card. See how it works. You contact a dealer out of the blue, you're unknown, and ask the guy to send you $3700. Understand now why this might not work?

SidePocket · May 29, 2008 2:56PM

Sorry, but that's about the worst condition you'll find that card in even for a 1. I know it's a Mantle rookie but that's brutal.

AnkurJ · May 29, 2008 10:01PM

<< Sorry, but that's about the worst condition you'll find that card in even for a 1. I know it's a Mantle rookie but that's brutal. >>

You think?

You can buy this one for $3250. Makes mine look like a pretty good deal if you ask me.

AnkurJ · May 29, 2008 10:04PM

"You contact a dealer out of the blue, you're unknown, and ask the guy to send you $3700. Understand now why this might not work?"

Absoluetely! But before this thread I did not know about Levi's position in this industry. And before this I didnt feel safe sending the card. Now I do, and when I return from vacation next week, it will be sent to him.

AJ

sayheykid54 · May 29, 2008 10:53PM

Regardless of who the dealer is I would NEVER ship the card without the funds in my hands first. What happens if the card is lost in transit, or damaged? In my experience it's always better to be safe than sorry.

alnavman · May 29, 2008 11:23PM

take the ride, sell the card in person, then add another hour and double your money in A.C.

WinPitcher · May 29, 2008 11:42PM

Regardless of who the dealer is I would NEVER ship the card without the funds in my hands first. What happens if the card is lost in transit, or damaged?

You are kidding right? Levi did not solicit Ankur, Ankur solicited Levi for one, lastly you would keep the money if it was lost or damaged in transit?

This was not an ebay type sale, the OP wants to sell to a dealer, protocol calls for the seller to ship first in this case.

Steve

perkdog · May 29, 2008 11:53PM

It is common knowledge that you need to send the cards to a dealer FIRST, Im pretty sure that is the protocol- I have sold cards to Mint State, Wayne Varner, Nearmint and in all three cases I sent my cards first. The Wayne Varner deal involved about 5K worth of cards- Priority Mail w/delivery conformation and insurance was the way I sent my stuff. BTW- all three deals went smoothly, the same will be with 707.

stevek · May 29, 2008 11:59PM

<< 

<< Sorry, but that's about the worst condition you'll find that card in even for a 1. I know it's a Mantle rookie but that's brutal. >>

You think?

You can buy this one for $3250. Makes mine look like a pretty good deal if you ask me.

>>

Ugh - good thing that card wasn't altered. LOL

sayheykid54 · May 30, 2008 12:15AM

Clearly the first thing that needs to happen is the have him pay for the card. Levi is interested in purchasing the card CORRECT?

I understand dealers want to eliminate the risk by having sellers send first. I would much rather have the upper hand should for what ever reason the sale went south.

NEVER send a card without payment first.

gumbyfan · May 30, 2008 12:18AM

<< Clearly the first thing that needs to happen is the have him pay for the card. Levi is interested in purchasing the card CORRECT?

NEVER send a card without payment first. >>

If those are the rules, then I'm sure Levi would be more than happy to pass.

707 = known commodity
random guy with Mantle (no offense to AnkurJ) = unknown commodity

It's not a difficult concept to understand that a company with a very well known reputation would expect to have the card in hand before sending any payment.

I'm just confused why this is even an issue. For all the time spent posting about it here, it could have been driven to Levi and sold in person...a few times over.

Stingray · May 30, 2008 12:19AM

<< Clearly the first thing that needs to happen is the have him pay for the card. Levi is interested in purchasing the card CORRECT?

NEVER send a card without payment first. >>

What about the other question on keeping the money, if the card should not get there or gets damaged. Not the buyers fault. I doubt that any big time dealers operate by sending out payment first, IMO.

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