I am not going to let the grading companies keep me from building a collection that I enjoy.
RYK
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I have a nice group of raw colonial era gold coins that I would like to submit for grading, but given:
1) the uncertainty of whether or not the 250 year old (or so) coins may have been cleaned in a market-unacceptable manner or not at some point;
2) whether the planchet irregularities are considered as-made or post-strike damage;
3) whether or not my bad luck streak at PCGS will continue,
I have decided to buy some air-tites instead. It's a lot less expensive and a lot less frustrating.
I have some nice medals that I will encapsulate in the same fashion, rather than send them to NGC.
Has anyone else arrived at this point in their collecting lives? I still prefer to buy coins encapsulated in PCGS holders, but I am not going to let the grading companies (any of them) keep me from building a collection that I enjoy.
(Longacre, do you think JA will sticker my air-tites?
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1) the uncertainty of whether or not the 250 year old (or so) coins may have been cleaned in a market-unacceptable manner or not at some point;
2) whether the planchet irregularities are considered as-made or post-strike damage;
3) whether or not my bad luck streak at PCGS will continue,
I have decided to buy some air-tites instead. It's a lot less expensive and a lot less frustrating.
I have some nice medals that I will encapsulate in the same fashion, rather than send them to NGC.
Has anyone else arrived at this point in their collecting lives? I still prefer to buy coins encapsulated in PCGS holders, but I am not going to let the grading companies (any of them) keep me from building a collection that I enjoy.
(Longacre, do you think JA will sticker my air-tites?
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<< <i>got pics?
Regrettably, no. I am way, way behind in my coin photography. I have to get my act together.
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I have a nice, inexpensive Conder Token in an air-tite sitting on my desk right now. It's pretty cool just the way it is so I won't bother sending it to NGC. But I rarely buy raw coins of any real value. I need the comfort of the TPG authentication and the protection of the slab.
It sounds like you want them slabbed.
K
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I have one PCGS slabbed Seated Quarter which was a gift from a forum member, one PCI, and the rest ANACS.
I think altogether I have 9 slabbed coins.
If I were to get my Seated Quarter collection encapsulated, I would use SEGS.
I'd want the correct variety attribution on them, and no other grading company does this for the Seated Quarters.
Ray
Have you considered Intercept Shield holders? I really like the look and protection of these. They probably provide more protection than slabs (IMO) & are less than a buck apiece at Brent-Krueger. Moreover, they fit nicely into an Eagle 2X2 album.
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Yeah, the opinion is worth having - nah, the plastic just gets in the way.
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<< <i>I never did get into the slab thing.
I have one PCGS slabbed Seated Quarter which was a gift from a forum member, one PCI, and the rest ANACS.
I think altogether I have 9 slabbed coins.
If I were to get my Seated Quarter collection encapsulated, I would use SEGS.
I'd want the correct variety attribution on them, and no other grading company does this for the Seated Quarters.
Ray >>
SEGS would be my choice in this senario also
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<< <i>got pics?
Regrettably, no. I am way, way behind in my coin photography. I have to get my act together.
No you don't...just stick them in a box addressed to Mark Goodman!
I agree with most of your points as well.
worthless due to some issue that does not take away from a given coin's historical "reality".
Some of the greatest treasure are pieces found, unearthed from old homesteads, battlesites etc.
#s on labels in plastic tombs have their place but every coin tells a story!
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Keep them raw.
WS
<< <i>I am content with raw these days. >>
Same here...
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<< <i>Interesting... I have a gold type set in a Capital plastic Holder. Nothing great, just your 20th Cent stuff. Everything but the $10 indian I was given as an estate from my wife's deceased Grandfather and Uncle. I bought the $10 Indian from a coin shop in New Orleans. It has a rim nick. One of the 1$ coin is bent. The other has jewelry soldier. None of this stuff condition meant anything to me when I was given the stuff. I pretty much thought I was ahead of the collecting game by getting a Capital Plastic Holder and having a representative coin for each hole. Then I got educated and found out about third party grading services. I then looked at the set, and said not a single coin would grade due to rim nick, soldier, and cleaning. I would drag it out when Quarterly Specials invited me to send in one of those gold pieces. Then when I looked at the set, oh yeah, that coin has a rim nick, soldier , is bent, or cleaned, so it will not grade. But you know what, I like the set. I like the holder. People like to look at the set when I bring it out. In fact, I will never upgrade a single coin as they do mean something to me. Its a complete type set of gold. It was a generous gift. And I am not going to allow PCGS, Market acceptable, CAC stickers, or any other G-damn hobby crap from keeping me from liking the set. Screw all of it. I like my rim nicked, soldier, bent and cleaned gold type set just the way it is!
WS >>
And I bet that set in the Capital plastic Holder looks a lot better than a stack of Slabs any day!
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"I don't need no stinking slabs"
"I need slabs to know what my coins grade and value"
"I need slabs for the guarantees but take the grades with a grain of salt"
"I buy the coin in a slab and then I break it out"
and finally
"I don't need no stinking slabs"
Congrats on achieving level 5!
Now, what are the 5 stages of coin photography?
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1) that looks easy.
2) This is not so easy.
3) If I spend more money it will all get better.
4) #%&^$!!!!
5) Maybe if I just bought one more lens....
<< <i>Putting 200+ yr old coins in modern plastic would ruin the experience for me. >>
What do you keep them in? 200 year old flips?
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
you are going to save a lot of grading fees
This holds true with coins in and out of plastic holders, as well.
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<< <i> I am not going to let the grading companies keep me from building a collection that I enjoy.
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i can't imagine anyone stable becoming frustrated enough to say the things in the OP while still believing in their heart that they enjoy the hobby. maybe it just isn't your cup-o-tea.............................
<< <i>Putting 200+ yr old coins in modern plastic would ruin the experience for me. Keep them raw. >>
Wrong forum.
Your frustrations may not be over. Early copper diameters vary a lot and air tite doesn't offer enough gasket diameter choices. --Jerry
I have been saying this for years.
Let me add that it will be like a lightbulb going off RYK.
You will enjoy collecting all over again when the plastic weeneyitis goes away.
Considering my current streak of bad luck with inconsistent grading at PCGS ... I am seriously giving it a thought.
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Those issues are just a part of the rules/outcome of the game of encapsulating coins in TPG slabs....
No big deal cause it is what it is....
Make a decision to keep a coin raw before you purchase and don't put yourself thru the mental back and forth stress of whether to keep raw or not.....
Should you decide to submit a coin for encapsulation, be prepared to experience all kind of emotions relative to the grade received, but in the end for me it is just a "oh well, on to the next coin".
I have experienced alot of 'oh wells'.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
...if your coins aren't in (the right) slabs AND don't have those little green watermelons on them...
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...how on earth will longacre be able to know if you have a nice collection or not???
You cannot imagine why one would become frustrated with the grading game? Gimme a break. If you cannot imagine one not enjoying raw coins as well as slabbed ones, I guess the plastic gods own you.
Frankly, I find most of your post to be condescending and off-the-mark, but everyone is free to take their shots. Have at it.
Your frustrations may not be over. Early copper diameters vary a lot and air tite doesn't offer enough gasket diameter choices. --Jerry
Air-tites can be ordered by millimeter size. I purchased an electronic caliper in Jeremy's charity sale and plan to use it to size the coins and medals that I plan to place in air-tites.
Have you considered Intercept Shield holders? I really like the look and protection of these.
I agree, but the appear only to be sold in standard US coin sizes.
You're right. I was referring to intercept shields. --Jerry
If you are going to collect raw, you better first learn what you are collecting or you will be one of those collectors a few years from now crying about how you were robbed.
If you are going to collect bust coinage for example-you better know how they are minted and how that effects their characteristics. They are not graded the same as Morgans, gold or moderns.
If you collect with your wallet and/or only the opinions of others.....look out below because its a long drop.
The alternative to learning of course is just let the plastic weeneyitis consume you. Then you can just learn about plastic, labels and stickers and not bother with the coin.
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<< <i>got pics?
Regrettably, no. I am way, way behind in my coin photography. I have to get my act together.
There are folks who would love to help out.
This is something I have thought long and hard about. I have seen some stellar examples that have minor flaws to keep them out of slabs. Not only were these examples less expensive than a similar problem free coin they had nice original looks that is hard to find in problem free coins.
I have come close quite a few times and will likely stretch my collecting to "problem coins" to further enhance my enjoyment of the hobby as well.
<< <i>Back to the OP.
This is something I have thought long and hard about. I have seen some stellar examples that have minor flaws to keep them out of slabs. Not only were these examples less expensive than a similar problem free coin they had nice original looks that is hard to find in problem free coins.
I have come close quite a few times and will likely stretch my collecting to "problem coins" to further enhance my enjoyment of the hobby as well. >>
This is not a discussion of "problem coins". These are coins that grading companies may have a problem figuring out, so why spend the money, take the risk, and subject myself to possible disappointment? I will enjoy them very much just as they are, thankyouverymuch.
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<< got pics? >>
Regrettably, no. I am way, way behind in my coin photography. I have to get my act together. >>
There are folks who would love to help out.
I appreciate that. I have not been sufficiently motivated to avail myself of their services. In time, I will.
That is your choice.
I have several raw coins and slabbed coins... I believe whether to slab or not is a personal choice that is obviously predicated on several factors including the objectives of the collector.
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