1969 Photostamps question.

BobaFett72

I've got some uncut sheets, some dupes, but I dont have any of the NL series sheet 8.

and in the AL i dont have sheet 9. Just curious which players are on those sheets, and if they are difficult to obtain>? i'd like to assemble some complete sets, as i have dupes of all the other sheets.

thanks in advance!

Leo

BobaFett72

ttt

swartz1

IMO - Neither sheet is considered "tough" - the sheet I would consider the toughtest is National League 7 (with clemente, mays and aaron)


to answer your question -

NL 8 - Torre, Aspromonte, May, Wilson, Osteen, Spiezio, Lanier, Beckert, Mazeroski, Briggs, Swoboda and Bailey
AL 9 - Wood, Mcglothlin, Stroud, Pepitone, Mincher, Nash, Tovar, Schaal, Stanley, Cardenal, Smith and Phoebus



swartz1

A761506

None of the 1969 sheets are tough, they are quite common and have little value.

The 1970 sheets however, which have been cataloged 100% incorrectly in the Standard Catalog, are much more difficult.

PSA has been grading some of these calling them 1970 Photostamps when they are 1969 stamps. There are no repeated players in the 1970 set from the 1969 set. Clemente for example, which PSA has graded examples of from both 1969 and 1970, are all from 1969. The notable players in the 1970 set are Ryan, Jackson, Carlton and Yastrzemski. They were not issued by team, as the Standard Catalog implies, but by sheet with 12 players on a sheet. On the 1969 sheets, they are designated as American League 1-9 and National League 1-9, and there are a total of 216 cards from 1969. The 1970 sheets are designated as Series 19 through Series 25. The sheet designated Series 25 has only 3 cards on it, meaning there are exactly 75 cards in the 1970 set.

There is also a distinct difference in the paper stock and appearance of the backs of the 1969 cards and the 1970 cards, which is why I don't understand why PSA has screwed them up so badly. The 1969 cards are printed on a beige toned paper, while the 1970 cards on bright white stock.

Here's what the 1969 backs look like:



And here are the 1970 backs:



In fact, in looking at the PSA population report, every single one of the cards graded as a 1970 Photostamp with the exception of the 9 Ryan examples, 2 Yaz, 4 Carlton & 1 Jackson are all actually 1969 Photostamps, as such 1970 Photostamp cards of the other players do not even exist. So, that means that PSA has incorrectly identified and subsequently mislabeled 61 of the 77 cards that they have graded from that set, and it also helps illustrate how much rarer the 1970 cards actually are.

swartz1

I agree with most of what the other person has stated - although not all 69's look exactly like the one shown in his example - there are some back variations -

I emailed Joe a couple months back with no response about the mislabeling -

the best way to look at the 1970's photostamps is that they could be considered an update set from the 69's photostamps

IMO the clemente sheet carries a premium because the mays and aaron are also on the sheet and you can not cut all three to submit you can either cut the clemente and the aaron or just the mays - because when you cut the players next to each other - you "ruin" them by a border not being visible for grading purposes...

also IMO PSA has mislabled many photostamps because they are using the size or dimensions given from the SCD...

finally if anyone has any of the "little value" uncut sheets they dont want pm me!

A761506

Are you saying that the 1969 sheets are suddenly valuable? I have not looked at sales figures on them for a while, but a couple years ago, I purchased several complete sets of the 1969's in sheet form relative inexpensively, including the booklet.

I have never paid close attention to the backs of the 1969 sheets as far as back variations... when you say variations, are there actually certain players who can be found with more than one back, or are the variations you speak of just appearance related across the entire set?

If someone wanted to cut up a Clemente sheet, I don't see why every single card on the sheet couldn't be cut in a manner that would preserve evidence of the reverse border along each edge. In examining a Clemente sheet, the black borders on the back are registered quite well with the images on the front, meaning cutting right through the black lines, thus leaving evidence of them on both sides of the cut, would also produce perfectly centered examples of the cards. Unless one was not skilled in cutting, to be able to make a precision cut of that nature, there is no reason why any card would have to be wasted in my opinion.

If you guys are interested in these, I do have several sets of the 1969 cards, and I'd sell a complete set at whatever the going rate is. Condition is probably EX/MT to NM as uncut sheets go, but the cards themselves would pretty much grade 8's, 9's and 10's across the board if they were cut well.

I also have a couple of duplicate 1970 sheets. Series 19, 22 and 23, which are the sheets that have none of the major stars (Ryan, Jackson, Yaz, Carlton). I also have a couple graded 1970 cards - 2 Ryans (PSA 8 and PSA 9) and 2 Carltons (both PSA 9) which I would make available. If anyone is interested in them, just send me a PM with an offer.

swartz1

As per PSA grading hand cut guidelines you must leave the perforated line showing - so look at your 1969 sheet back you scanned - if you cut one you "ruin" the others surrounding it by there no longer being a border there...

PM sent

*edited - I now see what you are saying with the cut... have you tried it that way? what was your success?

swartz1

Unreal....c'mon PSA