An ASE experiment - suggestions please

adamlaneus

As some of you may know, I have an abusive relationship with ASEs. Don't get me wrong, I love them; big coins, nice design.

But their numbers are legion. And silver is reactive. And this represents a relatively cheap opportunity to see how reactive silver is.


If you are ASE-sensitive, please do not read further.


I guess you could call this a surface toning experiment; an abusive one. I guess this is "AT" but I have no idea what will happen and do not plan on selling these coins regardless of outcome. And I don't really plan on doing this en-mass. I'm not really into toned ASEs. Why am I doing this then? I'm a sick puppy. Better venting my energies on ASEs than on co-workers.

I've put ASEs in the following places for an indefinite amount of time:

A #6 3/4 envelope sitting in my window sill.
A #8 envelope sitting in another place that gets sun.
An 8 1/2 by 11 clasp envelope in yet another warm sunny spot.

...

One is in a felt lined box. This one is probably lucky.
I put one into my vacuum cleaner bag, as suggested here on the forum. Getting that one back out will be 'fun'.
I buried one in the muck of my outdoor goldfish pond.
I will suspend one inside the toilet tank of a cabin that has sulfur laden water. A more disgusting suggestion was made on the forum; this is my alternative.
I put one into the lint trap of my dryer.

Where else? I'm not looking for mechanical abrasion, so anything vehicular or furniture-levelling is probably out.

(no, I am not going to put one into the microwave)

coinkid855

Put one in a Taco Bell napkin in your bathroom where you take a shower....Maybe the humidity and heat will speed up the process.



-Paul


P.S. I want pictures from this experiment

fcloud

What no Taco Bell napkin!

fcloud

I'm just too slow!

adamlaneus

Okay...I don't have a Taco Bell napkin, but I do have a package of Napkins which has been with me on multiple Utah desert camping trips, so they have acquired a unique funk. I've wrapped one in that and it's in my bathroom near my shower.

I also stuffed one into a roll of paper towels which has also been on similar camping trips.

And one into a roll of toilet paper...same deal...funk from car camping included.

And one went into my box of fabric softener sheets.

One went into a box of kleenex.

I went into the attic of my 97 year old house, found a funky corner (easy, for there are many) and buried one there.

And...one is inside of a box full of dried Candy Cap mushrooms.

Great ideas! I've got more ASEs... Lots more where that came from!

halfhunter

I love to play with ASEs. It's still an ounce of silver no matter what you do to it (not like they're coins or anything). Have a few in the attic now. One in a TB nappie. One laid over the openings between 2 Wayte Raymond half dollar pages (target toning?). Also they seem to dip out pretty well when experiments go badly.

Regards,

John

charley

The list of vile places presented is astounding- I was not aware this level of glee for numismatic locations of depravity could be experienced. It seems you have left out only unwashed unmentionables as a source of stain transference....how strange, all of a sudden I feel useful and happy.Respectfully, John Curlis

fc

don't waste your time with such projects. you already know the
answer. look at all the coins already on the market for AT examples,
and the few that are NT.

charley

OH,OH..."Clean Police" arriving... hide. Respectfully, John Curlis

adamlaneus

<< <i>not like they're coins or anything >>





<< <i>Also they seem to dip out pretty well when experiments go badly >>



Yer killin' me.



<< <i>look at all the coins already on the market for AT examples >>



You are mistaken if you think I am going to buy one of those. And please don't think that i'd sell one. If I did, it would be a sham auction and since some rather vocal folks don't see the humor in those, i'm pretty much done with that.
I've got plenty of blast white ASEs. Easy to get more. It's not like i'm going to involve the only 1996 ASE that I own...that one stays all pristine and blast white in its mint capsule.

Griv

Whatever.

adamlaneus

Believe me, none of them are '70s'. They have all been inspected carefully and are low grade bullion to start with, in my opinion. It looks like I got a roll of 20 that were stamped with a die towards the end of its life.

Interesting that you chose to reply at all. I know this is not at all entertaining to many folks and downright annoying to some. But your forget. It's all about ME.

Griv

What do I care if you trash 70s? Have fun and do whatever you want. I just wonder when your experiments translates into fraud.

adamlaneus

Wow. What a reply. That hurts.

No fraud in my future, I assure you! That is not a game I play. Regardless what folks think, I would actually lose sleep from worry if I hurt someone else by ripping them off.

Hiding mass produced silver coins in various places to see what happens? It's curiosity. Out of 100 or so ASEs, I see a definite lack of character and am making my collection more to my liking. This costs me up to $17 per experiment and I expect to recover nothing. These coins will be with me until I am dead.

But to imply that I will do fraud? Rip folks off? I was hoping that this forum was a source for ideas, not a source for more fake judgemental moralizing grief. Yikes.

Please let this thread slip into oblivion now. Thanks!

Griv

I didn't impy anything. Please do a quick Websters check on the definition prior to getting your undies in a bundle. I simply am pointing out a slippery slope that you are stepping on to. If you think you can traverse it then more power to you.

adamlaneus

Well, as an academically inclined individual, I did refresh myself on the dictionary definition of fraud..

There is a small cause for worry, as it is impossible to know what the future holds. Although my intent is to see what happens to ASEs in not particularly favorable environments and hopefully get some Ugly coins for my Ugly coin collection... I see that it may be possible for these things to somehow get out of my control and into a fraudulent marketplace.

On the other hand, i'll be darned if i'm going to give any of the AT folks any business at all. So, I will traverse this 'slippery slope' and make some ugly coins so that I can post some more ugly coin photos.

And, I have broken a rule. Don't try to get the last word in a bad thread.

Thanks; I really do appreciate the viewpoints!

aballein

id like to see some pictures from this experiment maybe a timeline type thing, progression of the toning etc..etc..

adamlaneus

I am doing a series of pocket-worn Sacs. I purchased a roll from the Santa Clara show...thought about it...then decided to keep a few perfect...but wear down the rest.

Each day, I take three quarters, two dimes, a nickel and four pennies...plus two sacs. Put 'em in my pocket. Walk...work...etc...

It will take some time, but I will release an interesting (to me) series of progressively worn but otherwise identical Sacs.

adamlaneus

There is one other potentially fraudulent thing I figured out from my activities here...say one of the coins i've stuffed somewhere actually comes out beautiful.

I'll be darned if i'm going to divulge the information as to how it was done. I do not want to be the source of some sort of taco bell napkin toning legend...

...unless...oh heck...i've got it now...

Pulling one on a fraudster...

...take a huge dump in a toilet, add a coin, then let it sit for a month without flushing, then dig it out. That would be my answer...of course i'd have to make certain that it would not actually produce a nice coin.

I'd get a perverse happiness out of making the AT folks do this very thing, hopefully in the only toilet they have.

I guess the problem with that is that it would hurt too many innocent folks who actually believed what I am saying, nomatter how I phrased the results.

halfhunter

First off let me reiterate what I said earlier.
A generic Silver Eagle is what it is, what it is, an ounce of bullion. No I'm not going to play with a '96 or a '08REV'07.
Will I sell them? . . . Sure if Ag goes to $25 I'll sell this BULLION that I paid $8-$12 for to a bullion dealer - QUICK!

Anyway is putting a coin in the attic, window sill, TB napkin, etc. fraud if one was to sell it as a numismatic item?
Would this be considered AT or just rushing things?

BTW, I have 1 that I put into one of those little Kraft style coin envelopes then stuck it in a box of kitchen matches
for a few months. It turned out beautifully with mingled blues greens & reds in all different shades. Looks more natural
than most of the slabbed pieces that I've seen.

OMG, am I a bad person? A coin doctor? Will anyone here ever speak to me again?

Dang now the G/F has cut me off and my dog won't play with me!

Regards,

John

adamlaneus

I am not particularly proud of this thread, but i'll post an update anyway. It's a 'negative declaration'.


Here is a list of where I put them. They are all still blast white.

*One is in a felt lined box. This one is probably lucky.
*I buried one in the muck of my outdoor goldfish pond.
*I will suspend one inside the toilet tank of a cabin that has sulfur laden water. A more disgusting suggestion was made on the forum; this is my alternative.
*I put one into the lint trap of my dryer.
*I've wrapped one in that and it's in my bathroom near my shower.
*I also stuffed one into a roll of paper towels which has also been on similar camping trips.
*And one into a roll of toilet paper...same deal...funk from car camping included.
*And one went into my box of fabric softener sheets.
*One went into a box of kleenex.
*I went into the attic of my 97 year old house, found a funky corner (easy, for there are many) and buried one there.
*And...one is inside of a box full of dried Candy Cap mushrooms.
*One is submerged in non-unsulphered molasses


Who knows what i've set these coins up for in the future; they have been stored separately to see what happens.


Except for this one...yesterday, dropped a glass. It broke. I vacuumed up the shards. I am not certain how to access this coin safely...

*I put one into my vacuum cleaner bag, as suggested here on the forum. Getting that one back out will be 'fun'.


I didn't want a toned coin anyway. (now I said it, they will tone in storage)

Bochiman

Didn't do any experiment like you....
just put some in the closet in my home office (24 year old house....some kind of wood shelves....closet doesn't have clothes in it but is storage (boxes, etc)).

This is about a year in the closet.....

Tvac897

Try wrapping one in a kleenex and then wrapping the kleenex-covered coin in tin foil..then place on an open window.

ricko

Better not leave the one in the toilet tank too long... it will go black quickly in sulfur water. Cheers, RickO

adamlaneus

I must admit, I never actually did that one. That involved planning, multiple steps and I did not make it to step 1.
Good thing, too.

I'm trying to figure out how to get the one out of the vacuum bag with a minimum of mess and blood.

One thing I did do...hopefully this is considered more market-acceptible...
I have an old house with a closet that has a funky wood resin smell.
I purchased a custom Dansco with 8 pages for Sacagawea dollars. 128 coins in all. Filled them from rolls, avoided crappy coins but wasn't terribly choosy. Now, I put it in the upper reaches of funky-smell-closet and forget about it for a decade or so.
The goal is not to end up with something to sell, but to end up with something that looks cool. I did say 'market acceptible' though, so i'm obviously being mindful of that angle.

Cam40

just eat the mushroom caps then look at them