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chaz43
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I bought cases of this crap before there was the internet or ebay. When everything was bought by word of mouth. It really pisses me off. Now the card companies and dealers can't get away with their BS anymore by saying " Oh, 89' score football is really rare and so is 92' Topps Stadium Club Basketball. Prices now indicate they made TONS of this crap. Should I hold this crap another 20 years or start letting it go? I really don't think any of it will be any good for decades(if ever) because they made so much of it. A lot of this crap is selling for 5 bucks a box. Or could this be like 80's Topps baseball which was overproduced and is selling well now. Well, here goes:
All Case Quantities-
Baseball:
1986 Topps Traded (roids)
1987 Fleer Wax (roids)
1987 Fleer Glossy Sets (roids)
1988 Fleer
1989 Donruss
Basketball:
1989 Fleer
1990 Skybox
1992 Topps Stadium Club High
1992 Upper Deck High
Hockey:
1990 Score Wax (Canadian)
1990 Sore Sets (Canadian)
1990 Upper Deck High
1990 Upper Deck French
Let me know what y'all think. chaz
All Case Quantities-
Baseball:
1986 Topps Traded (roids)
1987 Fleer Wax (roids)
1987 Fleer Glossy Sets (roids)
1988 Fleer
1989 Donruss
Basketball:
1989 Fleer
1990 Skybox
1992 Topps Stadium Club High
1992 Upper Deck High
Hockey:
1990 Score Wax (Canadian)
1990 Sore Sets (Canadian)
1990 Upper Deck High
1990 Upper Deck French
Let me know what y'all think. chaz
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Ask yourself one question, do you think there will ever be a "1989 DONRUSS BOX- LIVE RIP TONIGHT!" thread on this forum?
I'm guessing that's not very likely.
Steve
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<< <i>PSA 1 Chaz
Steve >>
Unfortunately Winpitcher, I think you are right. I am going to start unloading this stuff case by case. chaz
<< <i>I wouldn't sell it, maybe it won't be worth anything in our lifetime??? I'm hoping to have grandkids someday, be nice to let them do some vintage rippn. >>
Not a bad idea. However, I have lost a lot of money on this stuff so I got to try to get some of it back. chaz
Steve
<< <i>Ask yourself one question, do you think there will ever be a "1989 DONRUSS BOX- LIVE RIP TONIGHT!" thread on this forum?
I'm guessing that's not very likely. >>
Hmm, actually, that sounds like fun.
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It's already paid for and you'ld be sellin at pennies on the dollar.
If ya got the space? Keep it.
See what happens in 10 to 20 yrs - ya never know?
92UD Bkb - remember when Matumbo and LJ were selling for good coin?
I don't have cases - but I do have some wax crap also!
Lucky for me, I also bought some wax and vending that's actually worth something today - and it was just luck.
mike
having said that, its gonna take a loooooooooong time. And if everyone keeeps hoping it will be worth something, it never will.
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<< <i>Chaz
It's already paid for and you'ld be sellin at pennies on the dollar.
If ya got the space? Keep it.
See what happens in 10 to 20 yrs - ya never know?
92UD Bkb - remember when Matumbo and LJ were selling for good coin?
I don't have cases - but I do have some wax crap also!
Lucky for me, I also bought some wax and vending that's actually worth something today - and it was just luck.
mike >>
Mike- I am sitting on almost 100 cases of this stuff... I am not kidding. I don't want to be kicking myself in 20 years when the stuff is almost 40 years old and it starts to go up or keeps goin' down ( 50 cents a box???), I don't know. I feel like the ole' catch 22. chaz
<< <i>I may be interested, where are you located? >>
Thanks for the interest but not pennies on the dollar. chaz
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<< <i>yeah, and maybe bush is a great president. >>
Tell ya what Joe - anything's possible?
If wax could be worth something in 30 yrs? Ya never know how historians are gonna interpret history in 30 yrs? He could wind up being the "savior of traditional democracy?"
And...
Maybe not?
mike
<< <i>Mike- L J.... that's a name from the past!!! Man, are we getting old!!! chaz >>
I just had a brain drain Chaz.
The Larry Johnson and Mutombo were in the 91-2UD set - but I want to say they were selling for like 20 bucks a piece early on?
92-3UD was the era of the Shaq! Again - serious prices early on.
I just looked in a '93 Tuff Stuff and the prices had already dropped way down - 9 bucks for LJ and 3 bucks for DM.
Wow - mike
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Take the 89D case - it's loaded with proven RCs!
To me Griffey, Schilling, Smoltz - perhaps Biggio, Johnson e.g. - will be considered "vintage" to kids and they might find it fun to pull their own as opposed to buying it already graded and entombed in bulletproof plastic?
Just a thought.
mike
<< <i>I think it's gold. Solid gold. >>
All this cht is better than gold. It's frickn' PLATINUM !!! You have all convinced me not to sell any of this cht!!! chaz
does NOT influence the market value of those items.
Sometimes, that seems to be false, BUT it never is.
Age + Scarcity + High Demand = High Value
Age + Huge Supply + Low Demand = Low Value
MANY items are hundreds of years old. Yet, they have
little or no value.
2008 Items + Scarcity + High Demand = High Value
Time almost always turns hoarders into failed packrats.
"Sell it; sel it all." Gordon Gecko
<< <i>Important to always remember that the mere age of items
does NOT influence the market value of those items.
Sometimes, that seems to be false, BUT it never is.
Age + Scarcity + High Demand = High Value
Age + Huge Supply + Low Demand = Low Value
MANY items are hundreds of years old. Yet, they have
little or no value.
2008 Items + Scarcity + High Demand = High Value
Time almost always turns hoarders into failed packrats.
"Sell it; sel it all." Gordon Gecko >>
Storm- but I am thinking that the audience for this stuff isn't even born (or they are very young right now) yet so how do we know what the demand will be 20 years from now. Isn't time always on the side of the investor???? chaz
Way Way too much supply, not enough demand.
<< <i>GOLD!!!!!! >>
PLATINUM CHT !!!!! chaz
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Time interests me, but demand is the only thing that can make me rich.
If you have not done so, look at LIEBIG cards on EBAY and other sites.
The results sum up the age v. demand concepts.
We all think we know that sports/games are not going away. I am sure
we are right. While we don't know for sure how much 80s/90s stuff is
stashed, we think it is ALOT. More than enough to meet demand FOREVER.
I am NOT suggesting "pennies on the dollar" dumps, but whatever
EBAY yields over time is probably prudent.
Storage issues can bite paper-hoarders. Bugs, moisture, fire, theft; all
possible as TIME passes.
The money supply is increasing at 15% to 20% a year. New cash invested
with the knowledge that we may have lacked in 1990, is going to serve
us better than the dead money we killed buying fantasy stashes.
Few folks saved
cases/boxes/packs in the
40s/50s/60s/70s. That stuff became
valuable because nobody saved it not because it got old. EVERYBODY saved
stuff in the late-80s/early 90s.
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Be cautious short term.
Folks - large and small - need cash.
<< <i>"Storm- but I am thinking that the audience for this stuff isn't even born (or they are very young right now) yet so how do we know what the demand will be 20 years from now. Isn't time always on the side of the investor???? chaz "
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Time interests me, but demand is the only thing that can make me rich.
If you have not done so, look at LIEBIG cards on EBAY and other sites.
The results sum up the age v. demand concepts.
We all think we know that sports/games are not going away. I am sure
we are right. While we don't know for sure how much 80s/90s stuff is
stashed, we think it is ALOT. More than enough to meet demand FOREVER.
I am NOT suggesting "pennies on the dollar" dumps, but whatever
EBAY yields over time is probably prudent.
Storage issues can bite paper-hoarders. Bugs, moisture, fire, theft; all
possible as TIME passes.
The money supply is increasing at 15% to 20% a year. New cash invested
with the knowledge that we may have lacked in 1990, is going to serve
us better than the dead money we killed buying fantasy stashes.
Few folks saved
cases/boxes/packs in the
40s/50s/60s/70s. That stuff became
valuable because nobody saved it not because it got old. EVERYBODY saved
stuff in the late-80s/early 90s. >>
Excellent Points. thanks. chaz
<< <i>I bought cases of this crap before there was the internet or ebay. When everything was bought by word of mouth. It really pisses me off. Now the card companies and dealers can't get away with their BS anymore by saying " Oh, 89' score football is really rare and so is 92' Topps Stadium Club Basketball. Prices now indicate they made TONS of this crap. Should I hold this crap another 20 years or start letting it go? I really don't think any of it will be any good for decades(if ever) because they made so much of it. A lot of this crap is selling for 5 bucks a box. Or could this be like 80's Topps baseball which was overproduced and is selling well now. Well, here goes:
All Case Quantities-
Baseball:
1986 Topps Traded (roids)
1987 Fleer Wax (roids)
1987 Fleer Glossy Sets (roids)
1988 Fleer
1989 Donruss
Basketball:
1989 Fleer
1990 Skybox
1992 Topps Stadium Club High
1992 Upper Deck High
Hockey:
1990 Score Wax (Canadian)
1990 Sore Sets (Canadian)
1990 Upper Deck High
1990 Upper Deck French
Let me know what y'all think. chaz >>
Why on earth would you ever store this stuff. You are better off dumping it and taking that money and investing it in the stock market and i am sure it will perform better than these cases over the next 10 years.
For some reason, our brains are programmed to not take losses and people hold on to investments much longer than they should.
To maximize your return you should probably buy 4-5 boxes of QUALITY wax and do one of those auctions where you sell "lots" of packs like a grab bag for $19.99 or something similiar and you will make much more but it will be some work.
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GAWD, don't I know it.
75% of my serious losses have come when I refused/failed to cut minor losses.
25% have come when I tried catching falling knives.
I was faced with a similar situation a couple of years ago and because I value the space that such crap took up, I did 3 things: 1) donated, 2) threw away and 3) sold factory sets for pennies on the dollar. To this day, I do not regret doing any of this.
It really didn't hit me what 100 cases involves?
I'm not sure how much Chaz paid for all of this?
But, if one is thinking in terms of investment? And putting the money to good use? Then, waiting 20 yrs or more would not be a good idea.
Take the loss - dump it - and move on - and yes - invest that money.
Chaz did you say where this is stored?
I wish you the best - that's a lot of cardboard!
mike
<< <i>I always think hobby and not investment.
It really didn't hit me what 100 cases involves?
I'm not sure how much Chaz paid for all of this?
But, if one is thinking in terms of investment? And putting the money to good use? Then, waiting 20 yrs or more would not be a good idea.
Take the loss - dump it - and move on - and yes - invest that money.
Chaz did you say where this is stored?
I wish you the best - that's a lot of cardboard!
mike >>
Mike- it's all over the place. Closets, attic, a little in the basement, storage cabinets... I am going to let it go slowly... a couple of cases here and there on ebay I guess. I thought about Steve at BBC ( heck, some of the stuff I bought from him years ago) but I want to move it slowly and see if anything happens. I used to be hard on myself but at the time I bought it, I was essentially "blind" as we all were. No internet, no ebay to check prices so I have stopped being hard on myself for it. Thanks for the encouragement. chaz
<< <i>
<< <i>yeah, and maybe bush is a great president. >>
Tell ya what Joe - anything's possible?
If wax could be worth something in 30 yrs? Ya never know how historians are gonna interpret history in 30 yrs? He could wind up being the "savior of traditional democracy?"
And...
Maybe not?
mike >>
Indeed, don't forget that Truman left office with low approval numbers comprable to Bush's and look at how historians view Mr. Truman now. I think Bush will be respected in the long term for doing what is right instead of just going with what is popular like his predecesor did. Not to mention Lincoln for the first half of his presidency was considered a joke by most of the media at the time.
But back to our regularly scheduled program, if everyone else gets frustrated with the fact that the cases aren't worth anything right now and throws enough away, they could very well be worth something some day. You just never know.
Dimes: 54S, 53P, 50P, 49S, 45D+S, 44S, 43D, 41S, 40D+S, 39D+S, 38D+S, 37D+S, 36S, 35D+S, all 16-34's
Quarters: 52S, 47S, 46S, 40S, 39S, 38S, 37D+S, 36D+S, 35D, 34D, 32D+S
74 Topps: 37,38,46,47,48,138,151,193,210,214,223,241,256,264,268,277,289,316,435,552,570,577,592,602,610,654,655
1997 Finest silver: 115, 135, 139, 145, 310
1995 Ultra Gold Medallion Sets: Golden Prospects, HR Kings, On-Base Leaders, Power Plus, RBI Kings, Rising Stars
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I specialize in unopened material and the above mentioned investors are just a drop in the bucket! In the late 80's the demand for sportscards was at its zenith. Dealers and private collectors all across the country were filling their closets and spare rooms with cases of this stuff. The average card collector today can't even fathom how much late '80s early 90's unopened product is still out there. In fact there is still tons of unopened material out there going back as early as 1979 ( coincidentally the first year Beckett came out with a nationally recognized price guide). It may take another 10 years for 1979 unopened material to actually start drying up--and that's 1979 when there were very few card shops around.
I was at a major card show in Seattle two years ago and a dealer had several 100 card mint lots of freshly pulled '89 fleer Griffey rookies for $500 a lot.
Bottom line is that the current total inventory of (opened & unopened) material from the late '80s & early 90's is astronomical and probably 90% of all the rookie cards were kept in mint condition.
It's a losing proposition any way you look at it. When your old and gray ebay will still be flooded with material from this era!!--and let's not forget that this period also falls within the "steriod era".
It took me 300 words to say what the previous responder (Ron Burgandy) said in 2--dump it!!!!
<< <i>Chaz, I personally know an individual (investor) in Vallejo, California who went wild when '89 UD baseball came out. He thought the cards were the greatest thing since apple pie. So he obtained a business license and began hoarding cases. He has a 40 ft ocean going container on his property filled to the brim with cases of '89 UD baseball. Back in the late 80's there was an oil tycoon from the midwest who ordered cases of topps, fleer & donruss by the "box car" load. I've seen a recent picture of Higbee's Cards warehouse where there are rows of shrinkwrapped pallets with each pallet containing 20 cases of either '89 fleer, donruss or topps baseball. Just recently Mark Murphy had an ebay auction containing 50 cases of '89 donruss bb.
I specialize in unopened material and the above mentioned investors are just a drop in the bucket! In the late 80's the demand for sportscards was at its zenith. Dealers and private collectors all across the country were filling their closets and spare rooms with cases of this stuff. The average card collector today can't even fathom how much late '80s unopen product is still out there. In fact there is still tons of unopened material out there going back as early as 1979 ( coincidentally the first year Beckett came out with a nationally recognized price guide). It may take another 10 years for 1979 unopened material to dry up.
I was at a major card show in Seattle two years ago and a dealer had several 100 card mint lots of freshly pulled '89 fleer Griffey rookies for $500 a lot.
Bottom line is that the current total inventory of (opened & unopened) material from the late '80s & early 90's is astronomical and probably 90% of all the rookie cards were kept in mint condition.
It's a losing proposition any way you look at it. When your old and gray ebay will still be flooded with material from this era!! And I didn't even mention that this era will always have the stigma of steriods. >>
I understand all of your points but I was wondering about 1980 topps baseball. They said back in the early 80's that it was massively overproduced but how come it is selling at almost $400 box??? chaz
Unopened 1980 topps carries a nice premium mainly due to the fact that there is always the possibility of pulling a $2000 psa 10 Henderson rookie. The best you can get from '89 fleer is a $60 psa 10 Griffey rookie. Psa 10 Henderson rookies are very rare because of the poor card stock used by topps in 80 lending to bad edges on the card. The quality control in the late 80's was much better therefore psa 10 griffeys from '89 are as common as glazed donuts....
I don't know where your $400 a box for '80 topps bb came from. They routinely sell for $200 to $250 on ebay and the most respected retail dealer in the country (The Baseball Card Exchange) currently has them for $260 on their website. $400 will sometimes fetch a '78 wax box on ebay.
At $5 a box, 100 cases is still a lot of money. Anyone who owned stock in JetBlue wishes they could sell for pennies on the dollar. . .
Cards won't every drop to zero because they do have some utilitarian value, but holding out hope that the price of colored cardboard grows faster than inflation is a losing strategy
<< <i>. No internet, no ebay to check prices so I have stopped being hard on myself for it. Thanks for the encouragement. chaz >>
No need to be hard on yourself - we all have plenty of that stuff we bought because it was there.
My wife used to buy me a blaster box of some 1997 product - don't even remember what - every time she went to the PX.
Before I realized it, she had bought me like 20 of them!
Best story and I think I told this:
Remember when the jumbo packs of 92UD were hot due to the homerun heroes?
Well, I went to the National in 1992 - at the time the set was booking at almost 50 bucks.
I noticed dealers "blowing off" the boxes for under retail!
The next week the bottom fell out of UD and the set dropped to practically nothing.
I went to a small show that I frequent on Sundays and occasionally set up - and a guy had a table full of it - I felt bad for him - he couldn't give it away - my guess? He bought it at the National thinkin he was gonna clean up?
Wax in the early 90s had a very short shelf life.
And as we found out - the companies were pimping us! They were pushing the retail to small dealers to keep their account - at high wholesale prices - then DUMPING the rest to the big boys who were selling it the next week at big shows UNDER wholesale!!!!!!
mike
<< <i>Everything is relative. 1980 Topps baseball was massively produced compared to let's say 1975 Topps baseball. The hobby began growing exponentially fast around 1979 when Beckett came out with his first price guide. At this time the hobby lost its innocence and became an "industry". By 1987 card production was off the chart. In fact I've read that the print runs of donruss, fleer & topps roughly doubled each year from '87 thru '90.
Unopened 1980 topps carries a nice premium mainly due to the fact that there is always the possibility of pulling a $2000 psa 10 Henderson rookie. The best you can get from '89 fleer is a $60 psa 10 Griffey rookie. Psa 10 Henderson rookies are very rare because of the poor card stock used by topps in 80 lending to bad edges on the card. The quality control in the late 80's was much better therefore psa 10 griffeys from '89 are as common as glazed donuts....
I don't know where your $400 a box for '80 topps bb came from. They routinely sell for $200 to $250 on ebay and the most respected retail dealer in the country (The Baseball Card Exchange) currently has them for $260 on their website. $400 will sometimes fetch a '78 wax box on ebay. >>
Just saw a 1980 Topps wax box close at just under $400 ( $390.55 to be exact) on ebay. Thanks for your input. chaz
There's not a single card in all that stuff that will ever be considered rare. Fun to rip sure. Rare? Hardly.
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