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Why did PCGS slab this coin? - UPDATE

UPDATE:
PCGS, did indeed purchase the coin back, refunded my submission fees, and even included $ for my shipment to PCGS. Thanks to PCGS! Also, the staff was very professional in dealing with the issue in terms of email and phone communications.

Only regret is that PCGS simply sent the check for the buy-back. I think I would have liked the opportunity to have had the coin returned (body-bagged) with a commensurate negotiated reduction in the payment, but I can also understand their point of getting it out of circulation for a while.

So what will PCGS do with the coin?
-drew



Original Post:
Here's a recent purchase; nice strike, and obv/rev are almost mirrored. However, there a component that makes me wonder why it didn't get BB'd by PCGS. See it? (graded AU58)
-drew

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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    oopsie. I'm sure they'd buy it back
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    TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,024 ✭✭✭
    was it recently graded?

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    Top50SetBuilderTop50SetBuilder Posts: 930 ✭✭✭
    thats quite obvious
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    itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭
    I can't find it. Could you put an X on the problem?
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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    It looks x-cellent to me.
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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Holy Smokes! Could you please share an image of the entire slab, both front and back? Thanks.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow... I agree with TomB.... I would like to see the entire slab as well.... Cheers, RickO
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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Wow....I can't believe that.
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    BS
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    ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    Haven't I seen that coin before?
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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Hmmm. Yeah. The OP chose their words very carefully.

    Perhaps it did not get BB'ed by PCGS because it never was submitted to PCGS?

    Slab pictures, please? Not that we are distrustful folks...we just like pictures!

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    I had a bust quarter with a smaller X on the lower reverse. It was accepted by PCGS and certified to be the grade I expected. I was surprised to see the X!
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    JZraritiesJZrarities Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭
    There's gold hidden underneath the 'X'...
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    donthehilldonthehill Posts: 137 ✭✭✭
    Oh ... ye of little faith!

    (sorry, as a very infrequent poster and major lurker, I'm clearly lacking in "posting savvy".)

    (also, if you think this is coin looks familiar, I purchased it recently from a TT auction - could clearly see half of the "x", but it looked like a normal ding appropriate for an AU. My scanner does a "wonderful" job of bringing out the special feature.)
    -drew
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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Wow. Amazing.

    I would have thought that only Heritage photos can make a huge graffiti "X" look like a ding. I'd like to get a load of those TT photos.

    What was your reaction when you first saw it in hand?
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    DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508
    that was done on the special "take your kid to work and let them grade, day"

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
    An obvious grading error. The "X" should have resulted in a bodybag.
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    ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>that was done on the special "take your kid to work and let them grade, day" >>



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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it happened after it was in the slab. image

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    Ah - the scarce X variety. For $20 more you can have it attributed...
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    BearBear Posts: 18,954 ✭✭
    If we can have a Grant Commem with star variety,
    why not a 21/2 dollar gold piece with an x.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it was NeXt graded as that's one sweet AU58! image

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    tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    I'd bet one of dem green watermelon stickers would cover that problem.
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    VamGuyVamGuy Posts: 1,624


    << <i>An obvious grading error. The "X" should have resulted in a bodybag. >>

    Yes, both graders and the finalizer all made the same error... they forgot to look at the reverse. image
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's the TT pics... no mention of being previously pedigreed to Malcolm X anywhere? image

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>An obvious grading error. The "X" should have resulted in a bodybag. >>

    Yes, both graders and the finalizer all made the same error... they forgot to look at the reverse. image >>



    Yes but what's even worse is TT accepted this as a consignment lot, made thier 12% and didn't mention the damage in any description.image

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    Yet another example. It gets old after a while. Probably submitted by a large volume dealer.
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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,989 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree, should of been BB.
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    SilverstateSilverstate Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭
    This coin reminds me of a picture...

    OH, here it is.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree, should of been BB. >>



    Maybe the Putty over the damage Vaporized during Sonic Sealing imageimage
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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Scary, to say the least. I would love to know who submitted. I know it's not supposed to matter, but I'd still like to know...

    Oh, and:


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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    "It's just a scratch!"

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    (Perhaps it was a crossover with a translucent smudge on the holder right there to obscure it?)
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    DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856


    << <i>that was done on the special "take your kid to work and let them grade, day" >>

    I'm gonna have to agree with doogy...whoopsies. image Send that puppy back to PCGS...
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    Here you go. It's all good now. I just hit it with a Magic Pad™.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,446 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TT has a reputation for being a dumping ground for coins that dealers don't want to be seen in their inventory. This is a perfect example.

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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    that x makes ya wonder like this scratch on this reverse of this pcgs vf 21-d dime on ebay

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    I notice that the “you can’t grade a coin from a photo and have to have it in hand” folks are not weighing in on this discussion.image
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    donthehilldonthehill Posts: 137 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the great discussion. I've sent an email into PCGS linking to this discussion (hoping that in the meantime we don't see a "poof" of electrons) asking an opinion. I'll let you know if I hear from them.

    The rotten part about all of this is that, as one poster mentioned, this coins is really a sweet coin for a type set, even with a few goobers on the reverse - great strike, clean obverse, near mirrors, and S-mint to boot.

    BTW, I've purchased several items from TT and have always been happy with the result - I've usually found their pics to be accurate, and even in this case, you can sorta see the "x" if you know what to look for. When I'm in whining mode about the major on-line auction areas, I'm usually whining about the pics on Heritage. Although, I've now also been edjumacated on the punitive return policies on TT. Fun times!
    -drew

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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    It sure is interesting to see, when they seem to be so picky with things much less evident.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I thought everyone knew those were HRH's "chop marks" on the early Presidential Reviews
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    dizzleccdizzlecc Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭
    For some reason, that coin looks familiar. I want to say, it has been discussed on the boards in previous years.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here you go. It's all good now. I just hit it with a Magic Pad™.

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    Wonder if NCS owns a Magic Pad™imageimage

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS AU58: "Full detail with only slight friction on the high points"
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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    I take it that the folks at PCGS, who I really do honestly respect, only come into work Monday thru Friday and have yet to read and remove this embarassing thread? I'm good with that; this is their forum.

    Interesting timing on the original post. At least it gives us regular folks some visibility on an issue like this.

    Now, we should place bets on when this thread gets poofed on Monday.

    I'm thinking between 9:00am and 9:15am central. Unless they get tied up reading the never ending thread.

    [edit] You used a magic pad!?!? image

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    That is one of the first (and very rare) signature series coins, I believe they were started around 1880. Now if we can just find out who's "mark" it is and it could double or triple the value.
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,789 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I notice that the “you can’t grade a coin from a photo and have to have it in hand” folks are not weighing in on this discussion.image >>



    Perhaps it is because that point has little to do with this discussion.
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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To err is human.

    I am sure they will correct this when it is brought to their attention.


    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 5,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And then you submit a coin that should go PO01 or FR02 and it bb for cleaning.
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    All right-allready. Sell it back to PCGS! I can't take it anymore.

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