These are one of the most popular counterstamps collected as part of the “Hard Times” token series which are generally found on bust half dollars.
Dr. Jacob Houck came to Baltimore Maryland in 1828 and opened a dry goods business at 121 West Baltimore St. It wasn’t until 1834 that he began selling “Botanic Panacea” for $1.50 a bottle and advertised in the 1835 to 1842 business directories. This Panacea was sold at various business address locations including 16 Hanover St., which was listed in this full page ad in Matchett’s Baltimore Director in 1842, up until the 1850’s. Henry T. Houck became proprietor of the firm in 1851 and in later years probably licensed it for others to sell as there is an 1855 advertisement in a Nashville Tennessee directory by a A.G. Goodlet for “Houck’s Improved Panacea & Goodlet’s Vegetable Lineament” listed at No. 29 1/2 Cherry St. Nashville Tennessee.
These countermarks are mostly found on United States Bust Halves, occasionally found on Spanish Colonial coins, and very rarely found on Bust Dollars or Bust Quarters.
QN
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That Stodder & Frobisher C/Punch is neat but did you notice that the one on your coin has lowercase characters while the punch on silverware is all caps?? interesting.....are any coins known with the alternate punch??
That Stodder & Frobisher C/Punch is neat but did you notice that the one on your coin has lowercase characters while the punch on silverware is all caps?? interesting.....are any coins known with the alternate punch??
greg
this is my kind of thread!! >>
Actually I did not notice it. That is pretty cool.
Very early counterstamped quarter dollar coin from a Newark, NJ brewery. Looks like it was holed at one time.
Advanced collector of BREWERIANA. Early beer advertising (beer cans, tap knobs, foam scrapers, trays, tin signs, lithos, paper, etc)....My first love...U.S. COINS!
I've got this one which NGC recently graded MS64, I believe it to be one of the finest known SMH counterstamps:
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Hi, This is to advise everyone that Mel Wacks had nothing to do with the 1995-Star of David or Rabin counterstamps. I am surprised to see the double-stamped pattern Camp David Peace Dollar--I don't believe that I sold it and wonder where it came from. Ed McClung made it. Regards to all--Mel Wacks
<< <i>Hi, This is to advise everyone that Mel Wacks had nothing to do with the 1995-Star of David or Rabin counterstamps. I am surprised to see the double-stamped pattern Camp David Peace Dollar--I don't believe that I sold it and wonder where it came from. Ed McClung made it. Regards to all--Mel Wacks >>
The one in the OP came from an ebay auction years ago. On the "reverse" of the counterstamp, is a reversed image of a Jefferson nickel. I suppose a nickel could have been used as a spacer to make the 2nd strike deeper?
Current count on my Mel Wacks Counterstamp collection is 24 (with duplicates)
<< <i>Quarternut, what is the value of the bust quarters with counterstamps on them out of curiosity? And how rare would they be? >>
I'm sure Quarternut will chime in, but I have been looking for some time and only seen a handful. They are very scarce at the least, much more so than the halves. Probably just a bit more scarce than bust dimes...but not as rare as bust half dimes.
eBay might be more interested in the other type of Schiller, but few know of this type. >>
Okay, I found the Token Book copyrighted by Krause in 1994. On page 174 it states :
Rulau 105 Date (1862) Metal : Cupronickel Size : 19 mm
"JB Schiller conterstamp on face of U.S. 1860 Indian head cent. Large X counterstamp over ONE on reverse of cent. Plain edge. Only 8 known (Brunk 35777) There are also scrip notes of this issuer, dated April 3, 1862, payable in Confederate currency, in 25 and 50-cent denomimations. New Orleans was under Union seige at that time; it fell to Admiral Farragut's forces May 1, 1862. The token is thought to represent 10 cents in value. John B. Shiller, an importer of spirits, also became the proprietor of the Sazerac Coffee House in 1859. This saloon at 16 Royal Street was in the Merchants Exchange building and became the favorite watering hole of the local business community. As an importer, Schiller was the agent for Sazerac-de-Forge et Fils of Limoges, France, and served the Sazerac brand of cognac exclusively. Schiller invented the 'Sazerac', or brandy co_ktail, the appetizer that made New Orleans famous. Bill Manning, in "J.B. Schiller Counterstamp" (TAMS Journal, Feb. 1978), advanced the theory that other denominations may exist, counterstamped V, XV, or XX, but this was never substantiated by the find of any specimens. The Schiller counterstamp was first reported in TAMS Journal for March 1963 by R Lindesmith in a letter to editor Russ Rulau. It was written up by Rulau in Coin World in 1963 also. It is, properly, a siege piece and thus even more important. "
Standard Catalog of United States Tokens 1700-1900 by Russell Rulau
It's probably late night/early morning where you reside, but here on the island of Guam its mid-afternoon. Just wanted to post my one and only counterstamped coin. It's a gold 1852-O quarter eagle. It has the same countermark on both sides. Just thought I'd share.
Have looked for this type of counterstamp just about everywhere I can think of, but haven't found another like it. Maybe a merchant back in the day checking to see if it was real gold or not.
You do have a pattern of the Camp David Peace Dollar. I have never seen it before and I would guess that it got out somehow from Ed McClung who was trying to counterstamp the coins. The only one I have from this die had part of design reamed off before it was counterstamped--see MW3TRIAL in TAMS Journal, March/April 2011. Regards, Mel
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Is it still in the original holder?
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I haven't got a 'hit' yet on one of those with my ebay "Reagan" search.
Maybe smoeday
Do you know how many of the Eisenhower/1984 Olympic coins were made? Just curious-
(You could have that graded by PCGS this month free, any coin with an Olympic theme)
<< <i>Dave,
Do you know how many of the Eisenhower/1984 Olympic coins were made? Just curious-
(You could have that graded by PCGS this month free, any coin with an Olympic theme) >>
The insert says "no more than 2000" I don't know if they made a full run of it or not.
These are one of the most popular counterstamps collected as part of the “Hard Times” token series which are generally found on bust half dollars.
Dr. Jacob Houck came to Baltimore Maryland in 1828 and opened a dry goods business at 121 West Baltimore St. It wasn’t until 1834 that he began selling “Botanic Panacea” for $1.50 a bottle and advertised in the 1835 to 1842 business directories. This Panacea was sold at various business address locations including 16 Hanover St., which was listed in this full page ad in Matchett’s Baltimore Director in 1842, up until the 1850’s. Henry T. Houck became proprietor of the firm in 1851 and in later years probably licensed it for others to sell as there is an 1855 advertisement in a Nashville Tennessee directory by a A.G. Goodlet for “Houck’s Improved Panacea & Goodlet’s Vegetable Lineament” listed at No. 29 1/2 Cherry St. Nashville Tennessee.
These countermarks are mostly found on United States Bust Halves, occasionally found on Spanish Colonial coins, and very rarely found on Bust Dollars or Bust Quarters.
QN
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They were silver smiths in Boston 1816 to 1825.
Here is a clear example of their countermark from a piece of silverware.
That Stodder & Frobisher C/Punch is neat but did you notice that the one on your coin has lowercase characters while the punch on silverware is all caps?? interesting.....are any coins known with the alternate punch??
greg
this is my kind of thread!!
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<< <i>joeyuk,
That Stodder & Frobisher C/Punch is neat but did you notice that the one on your coin has lowercase characters while the punch on silverware is all caps?? interesting.....are any coins known with the alternate punch??
greg
this is my kind of thread!! >>
Actually I did not notice it. That is pretty cool.
<< <i>Fantastic coin !
I haven't got a 'hit' yet on one of those with my ebay "Reagan" search.
Maybe smoeday >>
Keep looking! They appear on eBay. However, you might want to add "Regan" to your search.
any others like this out there?
(Found in circulation around 1980, I know nothing about it)
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>Hi, This is to advise everyone that Mel Wacks had nothing to do with the 1995-Star of David or Rabin counterstamps. I am surprised to see the double-stamped pattern Camp David Peace Dollar--I don't believe that I sold it and wonder where it came from. Ed McClung made it. Regards to all--Mel Wacks >>
The one in the OP came from an ebay auction years ago. On the "reverse" of the counterstamp, is a reversed image of a Jefferson nickel. I suppose a nickel could have been used as a spacer to make the 2nd strike deeper?
Current count on my Mel Wacks Counterstamp collection is 24 (with duplicates)
<< <i>Quarternut,
what is the value of the bust quarters with counterstamps on them out of curiosity? And how rare would they be? >>
I'm sure Quarternut will chime in, but I have been looking for some time and only seen a handful. They are very scarce at the least, much more so than the halves. Probably just a bit more scarce than bust dimes...but not as rare as bust half dimes.
JMO
eBay might be more interested in the other type of Schiller, but few know of this type.
<< <i>
eBay might be more interested in the other type of Schiller, but few know of this type. >>
Okay, I found the Token Book copyrighted by Krause in 1994. On page 174 it states :
Rulau 105
Date (1862)
Metal : Cupronickel
Size : 19 mm
"JB Schiller conterstamp on face of U.S. 1860 Indian head cent. Large X counterstamp over ONE on reverse of cent. Plain edge. Only 8 known (Brunk 35777)
There are also scrip notes of this issuer, dated April 3, 1862, payable in Confederate currency, in 25 and 50-cent denomimations. New Orleans was under Union seige at that time; it fell to Admiral Farragut's forces May 1, 1862. The token is thought to represent 10 cents in value.
John B. Shiller, an importer of spirits, also became the proprietor of the Sazerac Coffee House in 1859. This saloon at 16 Royal Street was in the Merchants Exchange building and became the favorite watering hole of the local business community. As an importer, Schiller was the agent for Sazerac-de-Forge et Fils of Limoges, France, and served the Sazerac brand of cognac exclusively.
Schiller invented the 'Sazerac', or brandy co_ktail, the appetizer that made New Orleans famous.
Bill Manning, in "J.B. Schiller Counterstamp" (TAMS Journal, Feb. 1978), advanced the theory that other denominations may exist, counterstamped V, XV, or XX, but this was never substantiated by the find of any specimens.
The Schiller counterstamp was first reported in TAMS Journal for March 1963 by R Lindesmith in a letter to editor Russ Rulau. It was written up by Rulau in Coin World in 1963 also.
It is, properly, a siege piece and thus even more important. "
Standard Catalog of United States Tokens 1700-1900
by Russell Rulau
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