I think there are only 6 or 7 people here that can grade a PCGS 70.

Griv · April 8, 2008 1:29PM

All the forum OFs wouldn't know one if it rolled under their rocking chair. Think you do? Post your 70s or STFU. I mean that in the way I mean most of my posts.

DJCoinz · April 8, 2008 1:33PM

I think either your slabs need cleaning or they're overgraded.

GRANDAM · April 8, 2008 1:37PM

Here is a list of the "70's" I have made in my time:

# DATE VARIETY DEM CERT. GRADE
1 2003-W FIRST FLIGHT $10 PCGS MS70
2 2003-P FIRST FLIGHT 50C PCGS MS70
3 2003-P FIRST FLIGHT 50C PCGS MS70
4 2003-P FIRST FLIGHT 50C PCGS MS70
5 2003-P FIRST FLIGHT 50C PCGS MS70
6 2003-P FIRST FLIGHT 50C PCGS MS70
7 2004-P EDISON $1 PCGS MS70
8 2004-P EDISON $1 PCGS MS70
9 2004 EAGLE $10 PCGS MS70
10 1997-P OFFICERS $1 PCGS MS70
11 2000-P LEIF ERICSON $1 PCGS MS70
12 2002-P SALT LAKE $1 PCGS MS70
13 2002-W WEST POINT $1 PCGS MS70
14 2002-W WEST POINT $1 PCGS MS70
15 1992-D COLUMBUS $1 PCGS MS70
16 1992-D COLUMBUS $1 PCGS MS70
17 1992-D OLYMPIC $1 PCGS MS70
18 1991/95-DWORLD WAR II $1 PCGS MS70
19 1992-D WHITE HOUSE $1 PCGS MS70
20 1991/95-PWORLD WAR II 50C PCGS MS70
21 1991/95-DWORLD WAR II $1 PCGS MS70
22 1990-W EISENHOWER $1 PCGS MS70
23 1992-D OLYMPIC $1 PCGS MS70
24 1994-W WOM IN MILITARY $1 PCGS MS70
25 1998-S C. ATTUCKS $1 PCGS MS70
26 2002-W WEST POINT $1 PCGS MS70
27 1993-W MADISON $5 PCGS MS70
28 1995-W CIVIL WAR $5 PCGS MS70
29 2005-P John Marshall $1 PCGS MS70
30 1987-W CONSTITUTION $5 PCGS MS70
31 2005-P LINCOLN - RED 1C PCGS MS70
32 2005-P LINCOLN - RED 1C PCGS MS70
33 1987-W CONSTITUTION $5 PCGS MS70
34 1993-W MADISON $5 PCGS MS70
35 1996-D TENNIS $1 PCGS MS70
36 2000-P LIB OF CONGRESS $1 PCGS MS70
37 2006-W BUFFALO $50 PCGS PR70
38 2006-W BUFFALO $50 PCGS PR70
39 2006-W BUFFALO $50 PCGS PR70
40 2006-W BUFFALO $50 PCGS PR70
41 2006-W BUFFALO $50 PCGS PR70
42 2006-S SF OLD MINT $5 PCGS MS70
43 2006-S SF OLD MINT $1 PCGS MS70
44 2006-S SF OLD MINT $1 PCGS MS70
45 2006-W 1/2 OZ GOLD $25 PCGS MS70
46 2006-W 1/2 OZ PLATINUM $50 PCGS MS70
47 2007-W BUFFALO $50 PCGS PR70
48 2007-W JEFFERSON'S LIBERTY GOLD $10 MS70
49 2007-W SOL Platinum $50 PCGS PR70

GrandAm

FLBuffaloHunter · April 8, 2008 1:39PM

ddbird · April 8, 2008 1:40PM

Both those 70's blow. Spots and scuffs....even if it's on the slab. They don't look like 70s to me.

I'm just jealous I don't have any.

Oldnewbie · April 8, 2008 1:52PM

<< All the forum OFs wouldn't know one if it trolled under their rocking chair. >>

claychaser · April 8, 2008 1:52PM

No pics, but here's a submit screened, graded and submitted by TrainNut (10 year old YN) and his Dad (me):

Order #20106800 / Submission #9070582
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 13880816 150442 2007-W $5 Eagle US MS70
1 2 13880817 150442 2007-W $5 Eagle US MS70
2 1 13880818 150441 2007-W $10 Eagle US MS70
2 2 13880819 150441 2007-W $10 Eagle US MS70
2 3 13880820 150441 2007-W $10 Eagle US MS70
2 4 13880821 150441 2007-W $10 Eagle US MS69

Total Items: 6

Date Received: 5/29/2007

Date Shipped: N/A

Order Status: Shipped

coinlieutenant · April 8, 2008 1:55PM

I must say I couldnt care less about a 70. What a game.

claychaser · April 8, 2008 1:55PM

But this game is to screen 'em, submit 'em and sell 'em!

Griv · April 8, 2008 1:56PM

<< Both those 70's blow. Spots and scuffs....even if it's on the slab. They don't look like 70s to me.

I'm just jealous I don't have any.

>>

Joke me not. These are the TOP POP. When someone mentions modern eagles these are the coins that represent the entire series. No finer and none even close. I wish I had graded them myself but the credit goes to my friend Warren of Warren Wings that made these great coins, and most of the first $50 70s and passed them to me. These aren't some crusted up POS ms66 buffalo nickel, these are the the keys to a 22 year series.

Grandam, I call BS on that submission. Publish the submission # and post it. I can put together a list with a few of my 600+ 70s.

MrSpud · April 8, 2008 1:58PM

Any pics of a MS70 coin rather than a commem or bullion? I don't think I have ever seen one of those, it would be more interesting.

dbldie55 · April 8, 2008 1:59PM

Griv,

Where did Grandam say this was one submission?

Griv · April 8, 2008 2:01PM

<< Griv,

Where did Grandam say this was one submission? >>

Okay then. Do you want to see my list? Since I have the most PCGS grade 70 coins in existance I think I can manage. Oh, I would LOVE for one of you to challange that claim.

Come to Daddy.

Ronyahski · April 8, 2008 2:02PM

<< All the forum OFs wouldn't know one if it rolled under their rocking chair. Think you do? Post your 70s or STFU. I mean that in the way I mean most of my posts.

>>

Allow me to be the first one to admit I have no clue. Post a raw MS70, that would be really impressive!

Zoins · April 8, 2008 2:04PM

<< I think there are only 6 or 7 people here that can grade a PCGS 70. [...]
I wish I had graded them myself but the credit goes to my friend Warren of Warren Wings that made these great coins >>

Are you saying that you are, or are not, one of the 6 or 7 people?

copperfan · April 8, 2008 2:06PM

I know Im no 70 guru or anything, but are those not bullion?

Modern bullion at that?

Im not trying to knock anyone for collecting want they love, just that a 69 is pretty darn close to a 70 so (No finer and none even close) is not really an accurate statement is it?

I am a firm believer in collect what you like and like what you collect.

dbldie55 · April 8, 2008 2:06PM

Griv, I am almost certain that of all of the coins I would love to have, non are currently in your possession. Now if you can show me one of your MS/PR 70's that have 0 graded in 69, it may be worth considering.

Griv · April 8, 2008 2:06PM

What in hell do you think? Of course. Geez, just because I'm always getting my head handed to me here doesn't mean I'm all together clueless.

Griv · April 8, 2008 2:09PM

<< Griv, I am almost certain that of all of the coins I would love to have, non are currently in your possession. Now if you can show me one of your MS/PR 70's that have 0 graded in 69, it may be worth considering. >>

Whatever. Check back when you have a 100+ top PCGS Registry sets.

dbldie55 · April 8, 2008 2:14PM

Why would someone build a registry set of coins they have no desire to own? What a monumental waste of money.

COINB0Y · April 8, 2008 2:19PM

I don't have a lot of 70's compared to you.

I do have 8" and the wife calls me her "PR70", but I can't post that here. (not that I would)

Griv · April 8, 2008 2:25PM

<< I don't have a lot of 70's compared to you.

I do have 8" and the wife calls me her "PR70", but I can't post that here. (not that I would) >>

I think this gets you TOP POST! If you are inclined, shoot us a litle video.

GRANDAM · April 8, 2008 2:26PM

<< Grandam, I call BS on that submission. Publish the submission # and post it. I can put together a list with a few of my 600+ 70s. >>

I never said it was one submission. It is a list of all the 70's I have made.

GrandAm

COINB0Y · April 8, 2008 2:29PM

My Wife won't let that out of the vault.

Griv · April 8, 2008 2:32PM

<< 

<< Grandam, I call BS on that submission. Publish the submission # and post it. I can put together a list with a few of my 600+ 70s. >>

I never said it was one submission. It is a list of all the 70's I have made.

GrandAm

>>

Then let me be the first to tell you congrats. I was a little worried as if that was one submission I was gonna call it quits. My best was 5 of 6 70 but I've also submitted nearly 200 submissions. You are a legend so I hope I wasn't too harse here. You just scared the bejesus out of me.

adamlaneus · April 8, 2008 2:38PM

I don't see how these slabs could possibly be a 70. I see little flecks of paper, some scratches. You should never have cracked these slabs out in the first place as they have taken enough damage that they aren't 70 slabs anymore.

You should put these slabs back into the original slabs that they came from to protect them for future generations.

I've even heard of people thinking about damaging the surface of their entire slab to try and hide a few scratches and avoid a slab that was slabbed as a cleaned slab.

And those little metal round things are really distracting and hide the condition of the reverse of the slab. Awful.

BECOKA · April 8, 2008 2:53PM

I think I did pretty good on this submission.

1 10734047 21013 2006-S $5 San Francisco Old Mint US PR70DC
2 10734048 21013 2006-S $5 San Francisco Old Mint US PR70DC
1 10734049 21012 2006-S $5 San Francisco Old Mint US MS70
1 10734050 21011 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US PR70DC
2 10734051 21011 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US PR70DC
3 10734052 21011 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US PR70DC
4 10734053 21011 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US PR70DC
5 10734054 21011 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US PR70DC
6 10734055 21011 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US PR70DC
7 10734056 21011 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US PR70DC
1 10734057 21010 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US MS70
2 10734058 21010 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US MS70
3 10734059 21010 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US MS70
4 10734060 21010 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US MS70
5 10734061 21010 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US MS70
6 10734062 21010 2006-S $1 San Francisco Old Mint US MS70

claychaser · April 8, 2008 3:01PM

Man, that just DESTROYS my 5 out of 6 gold eagle one!

HighRelief · April 8, 2008 3:02PM

Here are two that made the 70 grade. After looking at my PR69 Gold Buffalo, the PR70 Gold Buffalo looks to have a slightly better strike around the cheek and mouth. That is the only thing that I can see different on the two coins.

BECOKA · April 8, 2008 3:05PM

<< Here are two that made the 70 grade. After looking at my PR69 Gold Buffalo, the PR70 Gold Buffalo looks to have a slightly better strike around the cheek and mouth. That is the only thing that I can see different on these two coins.

>>

Any reason the fields of the buff are photoshop edited black?

HighRelief · April 8, 2008 3:07PM

<< 

<< Here are two that made the 70 grade. After looking at my PR69 Gold Buffalo, the PR70 Gold Buffalo looks to have a slightly better strike around the cheek and mouth. That is the only thing that I can see different on these two coins.

>>

Any reason the fields of the buff are photoshop edited black? >>

No photoshop done here, it is the reflection of my Nikon 4500 which is black.

adamlaneus · April 8, 2008 3:10PM

I don't think it's photoshop as much as it's poor lighting. The angle is very low, so you get no reflection off of the fields. It does not look real, not like it would in normal lighting and when in your hand.

I see you narrowly avoided using "photoshop" as a verb. It is more properly used as an adverb.

BECOKA · April 8, 2008 3:13PM

<< 

<< 

<< Here are two that made the 70 grade. After looking at my PR69 Gold Buffalo, the PR70 Gold Buffalo looks to have a slightly better strike around the cheek and mouth. That is the only thing that I can see different on these two coins.

>>

Any reason the fields of the buff are photoshop edited black? >>

No photoshop done here, it is the reflection of my Nikon 4500 which is black. >>

Ahh, I can almost see that now.

It was just strange not to see any ripple in the fields and I have seen too many e-bay images where people paint the fields of proofs black to make them look more attractive.

Griv · April 8, 2008 3:33PM

Very sweet!

So, can we have some pre-2003 grade MS70 bullion pics??? Too many proofs but show us your MS70s.

None? Not even one to post? Bet I can rssle up a ton or 1917s buff nickels before I see any posts here. I'll do 9K for that buff and consider that a gift!

BECOKA · April 8, 2008 3:38PM

<< Very sweet!

So, can we have some pre-2003 grade MS70 bullion pics??? Too many proofs but show us your MS70s.

None? Not even one to post? Bet I can rssle up a ton or 1917s buff nickels before I see any posts here. I'll do 9K for that buff and consider that a gift! >>

No Pre-2003 MS pics. The oldest 70's I have are Proof. Some SBA's, a complete 1992 Proof set etc...

Griv · April 8, 2008 3:46PM

<< 

<< Here are two that made the 70 grade. After looking at my PR69 Gold Buffalo, the PR70 Gold Buffalo looks to have a slightly better strike around the cheek and mouth. That is the only thing that I can see different on these two coins.

>>

Any reason the fields of the buff are photoshop edited black? >>

Because of the angle and exposure during photography. I try to duplicate that on every proof shot.

I would love to see a count of the pre-2002 bullion coin MS70 COINS. My guess is that other than silver, none of you even have a single coin. Not one. Not a single coin. Natta, zilch. Only 22 year old and this series makes 150K buffalos just a bunch of crap. 7 cents worth of nickel and a BS NGC grade. What a joke? Actually, what a f'ing joke. $12K, might want to take it while you can get it.

adamlaneus · April 8, 2008 4:03PM

Dangerously off topic, but when I shoot proofs, I like to fill the mirror with sort of a half-n-half if I can. It takes practice, but it shows the mirrored field actually reflecting something as well as the deep contrast of the black. You can get alot of eye candy with a photo of a proof if you work at it.

I'll never have a '70' bullion coin. I had a PCGS slabbed MS69 gold buffalo for a while but sold it as I don't 'get it' as far as slabbed bullion. But I still retain two gold buffalo proofs, as these original mint coins are very pretty in the original capsule. They will stay in that capsule.

Anyone want to buy ASE proofs? I'm selling a complete set on eBay. All unsubmitted. Maybe a 70 in there folks!!! This is another set of coins that I 'no longer get'. I think the spot on the 1998 helped with this decision.

Lord help me. I don't understand what goes on this board half of the time!!! But it looks like i've past 200 posts. Wonder when I should give away Photoshop 7?

Griv · April 8, 2008 4:24PM

<< Dangerously off topic, but when I shoot proofs, I like to fill the mirror with sort of a half-n-half if I can. It takes practice, but it shows the mirrored field actually reflecting something as well as the deep contrast of the black. You can get alot of eye candy with a photo of a proof if you work at it.

I'll never have a '70' bullion coin. I had a PCGS slabbed MS69 gold buffalo for a while but sold it as I don't 'get it' as far as slabbed bullion. But I still retain two gold buffalo proofs, as these original mint coins are very pretty in the original capsule. They will stay in that capsule.

Anyone want to buy ASE proofs? I'm selling a complete set on eBay. All unsubmitted. Maybe a 70 in there folks!!! This is another set of coins that I 'no longer get'. I think the spot on the 1998 helped with this decision.

Lord help me. I don't understand what goes on this board half of the time!!! But it looks like i've past 200 posts. Wonder when I should give away Photoshop 7? >>

Geez, now I know how I must have sounded while on the pain meds after surgery a few weeks ago. Loved the sympathy though.

jmski52 · April 8, 2008 9:39PM

PreTurb · April 8, 2008 10:15PM

Strict third party grading: genius idea

Registry sets: mind-blowing genius idea

JRocco · April 8, 2008 10:41PM

Back to the name calling griv?

You sure are a class act and one that most people would look up to !

I just guess I am not most people......

P.S.
I would bet there are 60 or 70 people here that would not waste their time teaching you 1/2 they know about numismatics.

Now go back to your checkbook collection of Modern Crap griv.

MadMarty · April 8, 2008 11:04PM

Griv, they are BULLION!!! Even I have made some PCGS MS70 ASEs!!! How many NON BULLION, REAL COINS have you made in MS70/PR70DCAM? How about some Kennedys, Lincolns or even a SBA or two?

Zoins · April 8, 2008 11:11PM

So far it seems, a person can grade a PCGS 70 if:

(a) he buys some NCLT from the mint, submits them for grading, and receives some PCGS 70s
(b) he buys some already-slabbed PCGS 70s

Is that the takeaway from this thread?

Zoins · April 8, 2008 11:16PM

At first I thought it meant there are 6 or 7 PCGS ultra-modern graders on these forums that can assign PCGS grades

mr1931S · April 8, 2008 11:23PM

Here is a list of the "70's" I have made in my time

Not exactly rare as a grade,are they?

It is much better to be able to shoot 70 (for 18 holes).

tradedollarnut · April 8, 2008 11:28PM

<< 
Okay then. Do you want to see my list? Since I have the most PCGS grade 70 coins in existance I think I can manage. Oh, I would LOVE for one of you to challange that claim.

>>

Uhhhh - let me think. NO! Why don't you just cut to the chase and whip out the ruler already.

FLBuffaloHunter · April 8, 2008 11:29PM

<< Griv, they are BULLION!!! Even I have made some PCGS MS70 ASEs!!! How many NON BULLION, REAL COINS have you made in MS70/PR70DCAM? How about some Kennedys, Lincolns or even a SBA or two? >>

While their metal content is certainly made of bullion, being struck and monetized by the government as well as being used in commerce (in the case of the bullion issues not struck for collectors) means they are definetly real coins which should carry a premium as the finest known examples. Similar to the Proofs struck by the government on a limted basis since the Mint's inception.

Zoins · April 8, 2008 11:33PM

<< 

<< Griv, they are BULLION!!! Even I have made some PCGS MS70 ASEs!!! How many NON BULLION, REAL COINS have you made in MS70/PR70DCAM? How about some Kennedys, Lincolns or even a SBA or two? >>

While their metal content is certainly made of bullion, being struck and monetized by the government as well as being used in commerce (in the case of the bullion issues not struck for collectors) means they are definetly real coins which should carry a premium as the finest known examples. Similar to the Proofs struck by the government on a limted basis since the Mint's inception. >>

Many people don't consider proofs to be "real coins" either

Were proofs struck in 1793?

ricko · April 8, 2008 11:34PM

"Uhhhh - let me think. NO! Why don't you just cut to the chase and whip out the ruler already"

Well stated TDN.. Cheers, RickO

IGWT · April 9, 2008 12:18AM

Uhhhh - let me think. NO! Why don't you just cut to the chase and whip out the ruler already.

What good is a ruler? This competition calls for a micrometer.

Tonedbuff · April 9, 2008 12:33AM

This thread is... well... strange.

I'm with the 'what the big deal, its bullion' group. Yes, they have a legal denomination, but they are not minted to spend, but as a vehicle to make bullion available to the average person. MS70's and PR70's are not exceptionally rare compared to the equivalent grade with a circulating denomination, obviously. Grading bullion is gotta be the most insane thing ever. The reality is, that all those MS70's and PR70's are not really even conditional rarities... there are millions and millions of the things out there that folks have never thought about sending in to grade, and if they did, the populations would soar to the point that an MS70 would lose much of its perceived value.
The registry game and bullion are a bad combination for wasting money imo.

There was an interesting article in the numismatic news about comparing the armerican eagles bullion with the austrian thalers bullion, and how the buyers of the thaler trade coin seem to get the fact that the thing is just a chunk of silver, with no numismatic value beyond that, while american eagle collectors don't seem to grasp that, despite the fact both 'coins' exist purely to enable the purchase of, or trade in, silver.

I love AE's, I'd just never assume one was worth more than melt.

Oh yeah, and the 'I have more of these than anyone in the world' stuff seems a bit juvinile.

I think there are only 6 or 7 people here that can grade a PCGS 70.

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