Is 200 the new 300 for pitchers?
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Looking through stats of many of todays "great" pitchers, I notice that no one is setting the world on fire as far as win totals go. I obviously understand that this is due to the relief pitching era that we live in today but I found it kind of shocking that no one really stood out. When it comes down to it in 10-15 years, will these pitchers be looked at as the "best in their era" point of view, or will stats play the ultimate role in keeping some out of the Hall? Is the new "magic number" 200?
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<< <i>Sabathia is on pace to get there if he stays healthy. It's definitely more difficult than it used to be (for instance, a guy like Don Sutton would NEVER get to 300 wins in today's league), but it can be done, if a guy comes up early enough and stays healthy. >>
Forgot about Sabathia. Pettitte is at 201 right now and turns 36 half way through this season. I doubt he'll get 300 but 250 isn't out of the question for him, especially if he can pull a Maddux,Smoltz, Glavine, etc.
I don't think Pettite will get even to 250. He's already been breaking down due to injury and odds are his production will diminish over the next couple of seasons. I once though Big Unit was a lock to get to 300, but that is far from certain anymore. My guess is that will be a long gap between Maddux and the next guy. Smoltz would be at 250 already if he hadn't spent 3+ years as a closer.
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perhaps the new "standard" for a pitcher who is exclusively a starter will be 250....
Randy Johnson is oh so close too... wonder if he can hang on?
I also think pettite is on his last legs. If Becket can stay healthy and play on a competitive team we'll see him accumulate some serious win totals.
C.C needs to shed about 30lbs and pitch 10 more years
Perfect game, World Series wins, incredible walk to strikeout ratio....he wont even sniff the sidewalk of the HOF.
One of my all time favorites and a real colorful ballplayer.
Im just mentioning my favorite modern day pitcher. I know there are others out there with better or as good of credentials so relax before you go nuts on stats.
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It is actually pretty amazing that with all the changes in baseball over so many decades, correlation between win totals and pitcher ability has barely changed at all
<< <i>David Wells 239-157 winning pct .604
Perfect game, World Series wins, incredible walk to strikeout ratio....he wont even sniff the sidewalk of the HOF.
One of my all time favorites and a real colorful ballplayer.
Im just mentioning my favorite modern day pitcher. I know there are others out there with better or as good of credentials so relax before you go nuts on stats. >>
I agree with you on Wells. Very underrated and underappreciated. I expect the HOF ballot to confirm that, unfortunately.
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