I can't grade this series.....can you? (Updated page 3 with slab)

Bochiman

I don't know the series well enough to grade it.
Here is a slabbed example. I won't mention the company, yet, nor the grade.

Give your guesses/trained eye grades




A little bigger? Same picture though

DUIGUY

Let me be first to show my ignorance,,,AU58

Deadhorse

Hell if I know.

I've seen and submitted Walkers to PCGS and seen stunners like that get a 63 and I've seen crap get a 63 and yet I've seen many in the middle get a 65-66.

I'd give it a 66 but it's not easy based on the picture. Not enough detail, don't know if they are flaws or consequences of the picture.

Across the street, 66-67 most likely if what I do see isn't on the coin itself.

thisnamztaken

Even in the photo I can see rub on both sides so it should technically be a 58 IMO. On the other hand (no, I'm not talking about the mushy strike on her left hand) the TPG's seem to "market grade" these nice AU's up to 61-62 nowadays, so who knows what they've assigned it?

direwolf1972

I have a 43 WL that came out of the few coins I was able to get from my dads collection when he passed away. I cant make heads or tails of what I think it should grade. Good looking coin without many contact marks but the strike is either very weak or it has seen light circ.

Artist

58 sounds right to me. Most of the softness on the obverse center vertical axis, and on the eagle's leg is strike related, but I would bet the TPGs would also count some as rub. In my experience, this is a series where you really can readily find coins in holders that say 58 that look 65 all day long.

sommerj

MS-64 maybe 65

Connecticoin

63, maybe 64 depending on the luster. Typical "S" mint strike weakness.

2Sweet

It's hard, for sure. Maybe MS 63?

Walkerguy21D

I need to tilt these coins under a good light to grade them reasonably accurately, to really be able to detect slight rub and luster breaks....but from the pics provided, I would say MS64.

lope208

These threads bug me. If it's already graded (by a respectable TPG) why not just study it and learn from the grade they've given. With the caveat of course that it could be a point in either direction!

JZrarities

63

halfhunter

It's an "S" mint so I'm saying 65.

Regards,

John

lcoopie

I think the mark on the sun limits it to a 64

Broadstruck

Your pics complement the coin nicely for show-n-tell but not for grading.

Jcarney

<< <i>Even in the photo I can see rub on both sides so it should technically be a 58 IMO. >>



S mint short set Walkers are frequently weakly struck. I'd have to see the coin in hand to make sure the luster is unbroken, but assuming it is, I'd grade the coin MS64. I think the very weak strike and the hit on the sun precludes a gem grade.

guym

Looks like MS64 to me

Walmann

Weak strike very commonly reflected in the left hand area is not wear. Based on PCGS posted guidelines should be 63 tops. However Ive seen a number of weak strikes obtain higher grades that they shouldnt based on strike quality.

Bochiman

<< <i>These threads bug me. If it's already graded (by a respectable TPG) why not just study it and learn from the grade they've given. With the caveat of course that it could be a point in either direction!

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Ummmm...maybe that is part of the reason I did buy it???

j74b

This will be my first post and i would say 64 with typical S mint strike

Cocoinut

I'll say MS65. It seems to have clean surfaces, but the strike is weak, which is typical for a 45-S.

Jim

Bochiman

<< <i>Your pics complement the coin nicely for show-n-tell but not for grading. >>



Point, in both threads, taken, Broadstruck.....

Is this picture better? (note...the colors are pretty much correct as well. The reverse is lightly toned a bit darker than the obverse which is brilliant)

ElKevvo

I'll go with 64...strike weakness limiting the grade but that is common especially with the wartime dates.

K

Tonedbuff

I think 64... unless there is a break in luster not shown in the photo...

seanq

I was going to say 63 until you posted that last picture, I was assuming that dark streak above the wing on the reverse was a hit. So I'll revise my guess up to MS64, with the caveat that I usually can't grade those things worth a hoot either.


Sean Reynolds

Walkerguy21D

Yes, that's a better pic. Definitely a mint state coin. I'll stick with my MS64 grade, but with a little more conviction now. Almost clean enough for a '5', but generally 5's and above require a little more detail, even on those notorious for strike weakness.

clarkbar04

65 - I knew it was an S mint just from the pic!

jsf

It's really nice to see the uptick in threads about Walkers recently. Is this series one of the somewhat neglected ones around?

As much as I am trying to make wise purchases in Seated and Bust half coinage, I still end up back at Walkers and upgrading my #1 set.

cladking

<< <i>This will be my first post and i would say 64 with typical S mint strike >>




I agree.

Welcome aboard.

astrorat

From the image I have a strong sense it is a 58, but in a 62 or 63 holder. There appears to be a small rub on the eagle's breast feathers but WL halves in 58-62 are difficult to grade in only two dimensions.

Lane

Broadstruck

I like the new pics and would go AU58 on this one.

Merc

It is a 64 due to the contact marks on the sun and the strike weakness on Liberty's head.

tahoe98

i gotta say six-three

tahoe98

<< <i>This will be my first post and i would say 64 with typical S mint strike >>

JJM

Walkers can be a testy lil series indeed

Rollerman

I've got a "typical" 1945 S in a PCGS holder graded MS64. This coin is better than mine and I believe it will grade a weak 65 or at least a strong MS64.

Pete

vplite

MS-63.

jmcu12

I see rubbage: AU...probably 58.

Prethen

64, weak strike, full luster

HighRelief

MS64 looks about right.

Nice job on the pictures, Bochiman.

Raybo

Tough series for me!
Does this coin have an especially weak strike or am I just that bad?

OK.....weak strike MS65.

Ray

KurtHorn

I'm pretty good at Walkers... the problem here as usual is the pic. The S mints are historically weaker strikes. But without being able to verify that it is just strike or if the soft spots are from rub,... then you can't really say. If rub... AU58 If no rub... 65 shot 66.

Edited:
After looking at the better pic... I'd guess not rub (don't want to swear to it though from a pic). I now see a hit on the sun and across the breast, so now I say 65.

fc

the pics are too small for me. i am spoiled by better larger pics.

mrpotatoheadd

Seems to me, those who think the coin is MS65 should contact those who think it's AU58 and offer to buy similar coins from them. At AU prices, of course.

Bochiman

<< <i>the pics are too small for me. i am spoiled by better larger pics. >>



Right click the image, save it to your desktop, then open it in the photo program of your choice and enlarge it
I could give a HUGE photo but I am not going to do that as it wouldn't be right to do to some folks with slower connections and there is a way to get the larger photo you want.
Besides that, go too large and everything looks like a grand canyon, which isn't the right thing to do either, so if you need a REALLY huge picture to grade by, your eyesight is worse than mine

btw....I'll tell the grade in a bit (have to go pick my son up from spring break camp....I took the day off to hit a coin show and get things done and now have to go get him). Some folks have hit it on the head, others are high, and others are low

How about a hint.....

It isn't in a PCGS/NGC slab, was likely slabbed 1-2 years ago (I've had it for about a year...bought from another forum member), and is in a "reputable" slab....

coinsarefun

I'm not sure what slab it may be in but after submitting quite a few of
them to PCGS
I will take an educated guess and say it would grade a ms64 at PCGS.
And it may be in a 65 holder now?



Stefanie

Bochiman

I don't like to be a type of person who keeps people guessing....too long.....here is the coin/slab:

Rollerman

Were you satisfied with that grade? Seems to me they undergraded it, but shouldn't say that when I haven't had the coin in hand.
Pete

Walkerguy21D

<< <i>Were you satisfied with that grade? Seems to me they undergraded it, but shouldn't say that when I haven't had the coin in hand. >>


I'm guessing Bochiman bought it already slabbed....I agree it's undergraded, but I doubt anyone would grade it higher than a 64, and given the small price spread, I don't think it's worth sending it elsewhere, other than to 'fill out' a minimum submission, unless one needed a particular 'brand' of plastic.

LeeBone

Very hard to grade the Walkers...

coinsarefun

I agree that it is under graded, but don't think it worth having it graded again. IMO.
About 6-12 months back ANACS was very conservative in there grades.
I gave them a bunch of Morgans, Franklin's and Walkers and a good deal were under graded.
But thats just my opinion.



Stefanie