I have a guy on his way here with a 1884 S Morgan.BIG PICS...?
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Supposed to be MS ?.........Just in case he shows up....are there fakes out there.......If he shows up I'll post some pics while its here.....I'll need some quick opinions, thanks
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<< <i>Supposed to be MS ?.........Just in case he shows up....are there fakes out there.......If he shows up I'll post some pics while its here.....I'll need some quick opinions, thanks >>
Just remember that if this is eventually going to be slabbed, it would have to be absoutely rock-solid to get an MS designation. Superslider 1884-S Morgans are not "market graded" to MS-62 or MS-63 like other dates. A technical 58 is a 58, period.
Tell him it's junk and give him $20 for it.
(tongue in cheek, friend)
Do you still want to buy it?
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Maybe just the way it is supposed to look though.
A pic of a certified one for comparison.
this one looks better IMO............
It's a solid AU+ and looks authentic. Kinds looks like very minor cleaning/hairlines on some places in some of the pics.
A nice coin. Greysheet ask wouldn't be a bad price.
wes
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<< <i>The seller just told me that it was in a PCGS holder MS61 (blue label) he said the holder got cracked so he took it out......? >>
I wouldn't believe him for a second!
See all those lines on the closeup of the cheek? And in the field of the forehead? That instantly takes it out of MS status.
That is not an MS even if it was an 1884 O.
<< <i>The seller just told me that it was in a PCGS holder MS61 (blue label) he said the holder got cracked so he took it out......? >>
Trying to take you for MS money, I suspect. I have trouble believing that THIS coin graded 61 as an '84-S. As an '84-O, I could believe it. Knowing how ridiculously tight the TPGs are with this date, I just can't see PCGS grading this 61.
<< <i>The seller just told me that it was in a PCGS holder MS61 (blue label) he said the holder got cracked so he took it out......? >>
Maybe it was a Premium Chinese Graded Slab it got cracked out from.
If this coin was in a PCGS-61 then it was gift graded (I seriously doubt it was as they are tough on this date. ) This coin would catch a 55 if submitted today IMO based on what I see. Too many surfaces lines, marks, etc. evidence of light circ .handling in the fields.
If it truly was in a 61 holder , then thank goodness somebody didnt get stuck with a defintie overgraded coin.
And I am not knocking th coin as it is a nice looking coin, but for the grade it should be
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IMO to many hairline and would get bagged for altered surfaces or a low AU grade based on those pics.
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If it truely was in an MS61 holder, it may not make it now. The line between AU58 and MS62 is fairly broad (having submitted my share of Type 2 IKE's) but as the price of the coin goes up, that line gets narrower and narrower from a grading guarantee standpoint.
I think AU58 is a good conservative grade given the condition of the coin. The fields have good luster but its difficult to tell if there are luster breaks in the hair and on the high points. Luster breaks would indicate wear which would result in the AU58 or lower grade.
Does this fellow deal in coins or was this something that he purchased as an investment? What's the story behind it other than it was in a PCGS MS61 holder??
The name is LEE!
<< <i>The seller just told me that it was in a PCGS holder MS61 (blue label) he said the holder got cracked so he took it out......? >>
When did he take it out? Back in 1990 and keep it in his pocket. If he did the crakin then he should have the slab to prove it or a picture or a cert#. Without this proof I stand by being honest and provide a PCGS submission for his coin and then pay, look out for #1 first.
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<< <i>You sometimes see added mintmarks on P-mint coins, but more likely you will either see an S-mint slider with lightly altered surfaces. >>
Looks like TomB nailed it!!!
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<< <i>The seller just told me that it was in a PCGS holder MS61 (blue label) he said the holder got cracked so he took it out......? >>
i'd go to the video tape.............................................................PASS!
<< <i>I made him an offer, he declined, The offer was strong IMO.........I appreciate all of the opinions, it kept me from doing something stupid, thank you. >>
I assume you offered top AU money?
Guess it's his loss.
bob
<< <i>The seller just told me that it was in a PCGS holder MS61 (blue label) he said the holder got cracked so he took it out......? >>
Then someone messed with it while it was out of the holder. Offer to have it sent back and graded again and then start over?
bob
<< <i>The top right of the mint mark looks a little odd to me in the close up of it.
Maybe just the way it is supposed to look though.
A pic of a certified one for comparison.
Subject coin looks like VAM 4. Far date, centered mintmark. AU55, but questionable surfaces. The picture of your certified one has the mintmark apparently tilted to the left and set slightly left. The kicker is that it doesn't look like quite the VAM 6 reverse (mintmark set left), but that just might be an illusion based on lighting.
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