Now if this were submitted to PCGS today would they reject it? There must be some evidence of the cleaning, er conservation. >>
the difference is, NCS will conserve it with your knowlege. There have been many a forum member post here that they returned coins back to PCGS for spotting problems (not milkspots) and coins turning in the holders, taking advantage of the grading guarantee. PCGS dipped and removed the problem without informing the coin's owner first, and returning it without an explanation. That is the kind of conservation i would not want. Should PCGS reject the coins that they "conserve" themselves?
What is on the obverse lower right quadrant running between the stars? Is that a large die break or something else, because it is gone in the after photo?
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<< <i> What is on the obverse lower right quadrant running between the stars? Is that a large die break or something else, because it is gone in the after photo? >>
<< <i>Great job. They even lazered off some of the hairlines. Excellent service. >>
I think it's lighting. I was looking at the change of direction of the hairlines on the reverse, but came to the conclusion that they are two sets of hairlines that are just being set off by the lighting. You can also see the hairlines on the original obverse in the left upper field. The hairlines change angle, but that's just from lighting.
I'm curious as to what caused the "black gunk" to form on the coin. I have to agree that they did a great job- I'd take the after ""Cleaned, Hairlined" coin over the original ruined coin any day. JMO.
Sorry- just saw the link- melted plastic and soot from a house fire....
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<< <i>They did a good job with that one. What do you guys think they used to conserve it? >>
They use high quality (industrial grade) Acetone, Acid, caustic soda, reverse electrolysis, baking soda and camel hair brushes. At ANA summer session last year they had a two day seminar on all the things they do.
<< <i>Great job. They even lazered off some of the hairlines. Excellent service. >>
I think it's lighting. I was looking at the change of direction of the hairlines on the reverse, but came to the conclusion that they are two sets of hairlines that are just being set off by the lighting. You can also see the hairlines on the original obverse in the left upper field. The hairlines change angle, but that's just from lighting. >>
I guess that was my subtle point. They took the before picture in the most unflattering way and then adjusted the lighting to take the after picture to minimize the hairlines. While I think they do a good job on coins like this that really do need conservation their images may exagerate their effectiveness. It seems their before/after pictures can be a bit deceptive.
Many of the scratches seem to be associated with areas where someone tried to scrape off the residue. Too bad they didn’t just leave it alone and let NCS do all of the job.
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This might be a multiple proceedure coin... as next month's conservation could be whizzing out the hairlines?
Now if this were submitted to PCGS today would they reject it?
There must be some evidence of the cleaning, er conservation.
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<< <i>Still very curious about NCS.
Now if this were submitted to PCGS today would they reject it?
There must be some evidence of the cleaning, er conservation. >>
the difference is, NCS will conserve it with your knowlege. There have been many a forum member post here that they returned coins back to PCGS for spotting problems (not milkspots) and coins turning in the holders, taking advantage of the grading guarantee. PCGS dipped and removed the problem without informing the coin's owner first, and returning it without an explanation. That is the kind of conservation i would not want. Should PCGS reject the coins that they "conserve" themselves?
<< <i> What is on the obverse lower right quadrant running between the stars? Is that a large die break or something else, because it is gone in the after photo? >>
No, that is some kind of residue.
-Paul
<< <i>Great job. They even lazered off some of the hairlines. Excellent service. >>
I think it's lighting. I was looking at the change of direction of the hairlines on the reverse, but came to the conclusion that they are two sets of hairlines that are just being set off by the lighting. You can also see the hairlines on the original obverse in the left upper field. The hairlines change angle, but that's just from lighting.
I can only imagine some solvent dissolved that black gunk...
Sorry- just saw the link- melted plastic and soot from a house fire....
-Randy Newman
<< <i>They did a good job with that one. What do you guys think they used to conserve it? >>
They use high quality (industrial grade) Acetone, Acid, caustic soda, reverse electrolysis, baking soda and camel hair brushes. At ANA summer session last year they had a two day seminar on all the things they do.
The "before" picture had a resemblance to some sea-salvaged gold I've seen pictures of.
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<< <i>Great job. They even lazered off some of the hairlines. Excellent service. >>
I think it's lighting. I was looking at the change of direction of the hairlines on the reverse, but came to the conclusion that they are two sets of hairlines that are just being set off by the lighting. You can also see the hairlines on the original obverse in the left upper field. The hairlines change angle, but that's just from lighting. >>
I guess that was my subtle point. They took the before picture in the most unflattering way and then adjusted the lighting to take the after picture to minimize the hairlines. While I think they do a good job on coins like this that really do need conservation their images may exagerate their effectiveness. It seems their before/after pictures can be a bit deceptive.