Got this in the mail today...1910 MPL ? opinions please. big pics...UPDATE>>>
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Update........4/2/08........Just got a call from across the street....ITS A BOY..and his name is "MATTE".....................PR64 BN..................
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i did not see the obvious die polish lines i normally see on these
but the rims look very flat.
overall a nice looking coin even if the color is a bit odd to me,
personally.
i would not know it was a matte proof unless someone told me
based on the pics due to the normal diagnostic i ussually look for.
this should be a good post! once again great pic taking skills.
1910 MPL Diagnostics
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
congrats, nice buy!
Decision based on diagnostic in TRUST obverse 1 late die state has mark through U going to top of S
TD
I know very little about MPL's, when I opened the package this morning my first thought was no MPL, I looked at the diagnostics thread several times over the weekend in anticipation of the coin arriving today, I can see what I thought was the Quote:3. On the reverse there is a die scratch extending downward and to the left from the first leg of M in UNUM
?????
It looks like one to me brother, I'd submit it. Let me be the first to say PF64RB.
congrats.
-Paul
However, it is indeed a darm fine strike!
When I was at ANACS we attributed for our records all 1928 Peace dollars as to die pair one, two or three. Then one day, after seeing several hundred coins over many years, we saw a genuine coin from die pair 4.
In other words, new die information is always possible. Submit the coin.
TD
No arguments about it, thats a Matte. Not all coins had all die markers. If it has ONE, that is a specific unique to mattes diagnostic, it dosent need others.
Yup Id send that in for grading..
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
When a matte proof Lincoln or Buffalo die was sufficiently deteriorated to be withdrawn from service in the medal press, it was not resurfaced. Rather, they were put into use on production presses. (We have no idea what criteria were used to withdraw a proof die for these coins, other than obvious damage, or metal flow, or how many strikes a die could make before it was replaced. Coining room foremen must have known, and the ladies who separated good proofs from bad must have been shown what to look for, but apparently nothing survives in writing.)
It can be difficult to fit some coins into the proof or circulation strike categories.
This, while an interesting theory, is not supported by fact. This would mean that for any of the matte proofs, there would be many more coins with these diagnostics reserved for matte proofs that exist as circulation strikes. Since the very distinctive granular surface on mattes is not something you run across in MS lincolns, it remains a hallmark of the matte proof.
I have read in print that any matte proof from the medal room that the coiner found not up to his specs, would be tossed into the 'for circulation' bin. Thrifty use of these rejects though, I do not feel, would dramatically increase the 'loose mattes' which ended up in the circulation stream.
(just admit it, the OP has got himself a nice Mattie)
The ONLY thing Im concerned with on this coin is that usually the reverse is much more toned than the obverse, though it is possible and probably likely that this coin was removed from its mint tissue early on in its collected life, and spared the normal toning found on mattes. (or it has been dipped and retoned over the years, a possiblilty since it is raw at this late date....)
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but I think hes doing good on this coin, look at those :::Rims:::
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1. Are there a couple of corrosion spots above the date?
2. Are there flat spots (cabinet friction?) on Lincoln's cheekbone and beard?
Lane
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1. Are there a couple of corrosion spots above the date?
2. Are there flat spots (cabinet friction?) on Lincoln's cheekbone and beard?
Congratulations brother.
Happy also it got through the "questionable color" gauntlet!
enjoy! And it was nice seeing your RIMS
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Diagnostics are wonderful things if you can see them, and understand if they should or should not be present.
Most of us are rather unfamilar with the look of a raw Matte proof, perhaps if pcgs changes to an edge view slab like the Prez dollars the preception of the overall look of the coin will change for us, and the rims will become a focal point of identification, especailly on these raw coins, and ebay.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
-Paul
Matte proofs make a new man out of you, the trouble is the first thing that that new man wants is another matte proof
(slightly paraphrased from an '80s proverb )
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<< <i>So it seems like the planchets are thicker on Matte proof lincolns as compared to business strikes? >>
No, just struck up better on the rims, making the finished coin look thicker when viewed edge on.
TD
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