PCGS Insert...Time for a new color?

LeeBone

If you said "Yes", what color would you like to see for the new insert?

Just wondering...

dizzyfoxx

For me, no need to change.

Zoins

Perhaps the insert and slab can both change to more counterfeit-resistant versions, if possible.

ColonialCoinUnion

I think it's time for cantelope -

anablep

That is god-awful looking...


There should be some counterfeit deterrent such as watermark, security strip or foil to prevent anymore counterfeiting from occurring; so yes, a change across the TPG system is in order...

This protects us, the consumer and that should be their priority...

NumisOxide

<< <i>There should be some counterfeit deterrent such as watermark. >>


Good idea.

PerryHall

Green. They seem to bring more money on eBay.

Bear

Purple

NHSBaseball

Gray- or any other neutral color that does not distract from the coin itself.

Colquhoun

fine Engraved green, with mircoprinting

Swampboy

<< <i>For me, no need to change. >>

MORGANHUNTER2

black with white letters

or orange!

Broadstruck

There should be some counterfeit deterrent such as watermark, security strip or foil to prevent anymore counterfeiting from occurring;

Steve27

Forget the color, I think it's time for a new slab.

foodude

Green. They seem to bring more money on eBay.

Keep it the same, the differences add confusion.

Sunnywood

Get the ugly barcode off the front, and put the date of encapsulation on the slab ... i don't care what color the paper is.

planetsteve

Am I crazy to suggest that we be given a choice between a few colors?

Bear

Howsabout a nice puce,

or kacki or even Gray Pupon Mustard?

Seriously, a water mark or some other
anti forgery devices, would seem prudent.

ColonialCoinUnion

<< <i>Am I crazy to suggest that we be given a choice between a few colors? >>



Yes.

ceo32312

<< <i>There should be some counterfeit deterrent such as watermark, security strip or foil to prevent anymore counterfeiting from occurring;

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I agree!!

LindeDad

Talk to the people at the BEP and get some of that stuff they make the newer twentys or the fiftys out of.
And yes that bar code needs to go it serves very little if any purpose.

foodude

There should be some counterfeit deterrent such as watermark, security strip or foil to prevent anymore counterfeiting from occurring

The top TPGS almost certainly have something along these lines to allow them to be able to quickly distinguish even the best counterfeits from the legit ones. The problem is if they disclose "everything" to look for, the counterfeiters will also know. Hence, many manufacturers include a number of anti-counterfeit items in their products, but keep the exact nature of some of the items a secret.

Thenewguy

How about some type of holographic type label like some of those picture cards you can get where the picture changes when you tilt the card side to side?

bumanchu

How about clear with black type, that way you can make it any color you want with unlimited background possibilities.....

LeeBone

There were some interesting suggestions so far...

Shamika

<< <i>Am I crazy to suggest that we be given a choice between a few colors? >>

That was going to be my suggestion as well.

planetsteve

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<< <i>Am I crazy to suggest that we be given a choice between a few colors? >>



Yes. >>



Well, maybe. But c'mon, consider this: White, Light Grey, Blue, Green, and of course -- for $5 extra -- Canary Yellow. One color per submission form, please.

Perhaps proofs and business strike coins could automatically get different colors.

Hell, PCGS already opened the door for these proposals with First Strike, Heroes, Satin Finish, etc. labels. I'll be surprised if they don't continue going down this road.

Doogy

with the advent of the Chinese counterfeiters getting that much better, a new paper insert isn't going to be the panacea. They need a new anti-counterfeit slab, akin to the one NGC is doing, and a new insert to go with it. That is of course, unless they would like to lose confidence of the collecting public. You can't just issue a press release saying "be on the look-out for fake slabs", and not do anything about it changing it. They are going to have to stay one step ahead of the counterfeiters (like our BEP does), not issue press releases and put the responsibility on the buying public, most of whom have only a modicum of numismatic education, as well as the ability to detect counterfeit slabs.

cmerlo1

Any label or slab change should, IMHO, accomplish the following:

1. Thwart counterfeiting while still allowing authenticity to be established. Anything entirely visual or disclosed can and will be duplicated- years ago, it was thought that a hologram would be difficult to reproduce, but we now know that is no longer the case. There are plenty of measures that can be added to establish authenticity in-hand- I've been thinking about embossing a small 4-8 digit code into the plastic on the side of each slab. The number would be required along with the cert number for verification. This would end the stealing of cert #'s from photos for fake labels. This may work in making the numbers on the label more secure, but what about establishing authenticity of the slab from photos in an online auction? Anything visual will show up in the photo and could be duplicated...I think photographing every coin before it goes into the holder and including it as part of cert verification is a step in the right direction, but the counterfeiters could simply make the fake coin look like the one in the picture.

2. Thwart alterations to the coin after it's been slabbed, such as 'gassing'. I suggested this in other threads: invent a label that will react if chemicals are introduced into the slab and change color. Even putting a small square of foil made from the same metal the coin is made from somewhere on the label would accomplish this. It would react to the introduced chamicals the same way the coin does.

3. Be infomative but not detract from the overall presentation of the coin. There are some ugly labels and slabs out there. Why not include a beautiful label on a beautiful holder holding a beautiful coin?

sweetwilliet

Plaid.

ricko

cmerlo1's suggestions are excellent.... also the addition of an identification number that shows under blacklight would help.. microtype on the logo would also help. Cheers, RickO

planetsteve

I think that linking a photo to all certs isn't a bad idea, though I'm sure we'll have to pay more for the security. Perhaps there could be a value threshold, like the $300 figure for economy -> regular submissions, where photos are automatically made and associated with the cert.

CU stamp grader PSE just uses photos and certificates for all their expertised stamps; a lot of stamp dealers do not like slabs at all. I'm not aware of any fraud problems on the stamp front, so this leads me to believe that archived photographs could be a very powerful tool. (I suppose it's worth noting that coins are much more difficult to photograph in a way that shows all identifying features.)

I'm not sure how a fraudster could make their coin look like the authenticated photographs of the legitimate coins. Are we talking only about ebay auction images?

BTW I love the idea of a tamper-evident label, though I wonder if slabs themselves already show enough signs of tampering.

JoesMaName

If I could change the PCGS slab to anything I liked I'd have
the PCGS logo laser etched into the plastic and have an mostly
opaque plastic label with light shifting PCGS's in it.

Kind of like this

metalmeister

Green color of Money
Barcode on the back
Mintage on the front
Date sealed on the side seam.

LeeBone

TTT

GoldenEyeNumismatics

keep it blue.

lope208

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<< <i>Am I crazy to suggest that we be given a choice between a few colors? >>



Yes. >>



Well, maybe. But c'mon, consider this: White, Light Grey, Blue, Green, and of course -- for $5 extra -- Canary Yellow. One color per submission form, please.

Perhaps proofs and business strike coins could automatically get different colors.

Hell, PCGS already opened the door for these proposals with First Strike, Heroes, Satin Finish, etc. labels. I'll be surprised if they don't continue going down this road. >>



I can see it now...it'd be like buying up properties in Monopoly.

robkool

Black background with white lettering would be kool...

PerryHall

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.