Buffalo Nickel...guess the grade,,GRADE REVEALED
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Here's a 1913-S T-2. What do you think it grades? What grade do you think PCGS should have graded it and what grade did they gave it?
This is the grade I'm trying to help my daughter put a set together of. Let the guessing begin.
This is the grade I'm trying to help my daughter put a set together of. Let the guessing begin.
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<< <i>VF-25 >>
But... From the sound of things, they may have graded it F-15. I would not go lower than VF-20.
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...here is another example of why I have no intention of spending another red (or even red/brown) cent asking for their "opinion"...
...if they ever come up with a truly consistent grading standard...then actually stick to it...day-to-day and year-to-year (if that is even possible)... and then go out and buy up every single coin, in their holders, that does not fit that standard and re-grade them to fit that standard (again...if that is possible)... then, maybe, after a few years of observation to confirm true consistancy...then, I might consider submitting another coin to them...
...please excuse my little rant...
...sorry to have disturbed anyone's koolaid and cookies session...
(edited for clarity)
(edited once again to add --- please be aware everyone...you will need to step around the puddle I left on our host's carpet...sorry...I just couldn't hold it in
<< <i>Now if I could just find all the dates in this condition with a fine grade price. >>
Roger that! I recently picked off a 17S and an 18D that are nicer than than this one at Fine Bid or less.
Jack Beymer would sell this coin as a F15.....but you'd pay XF money for it.
You and I are in 100% agreement on this so allow me to rant along with you. With all due respect to the company that hosts this website, TPGs will NEVER get my business for the exact reasons and rationale you stated. I've seen so many incorrectly and inconsistently graded coins in their holders it's a joke! I am in constant amazement that people continue to pay money numerous times to the same company to have the same coin graded over and over again in the hopes that it finally receives the correct grade. What a racket!
Grading will become more accurate and consistent if and when the TPGs ignore this made-up nonsense about "eye appeal" being a component of a coin's grade. It's absolute BS! What one person considers beautiful, another may consider ugly. Some men prefers blondes, others prefer brunettes. Some people like the art of Picasso, others find it hideous. Some like rainbow toning on a coin, other's prefer blast creamy white luster.
A coin's grade ought to be the result of a very simple formula: The ratio of a coin's current level of detail and luster to the minted level of detail and luster. Period. End of Story.
Granted, determining that ratio may be difficult, but I would argue that it CAN be calculated. Either the coin possesses the characteristics of a specific grade or it doesn't. If a collector submits a scratched coin for grading, the grade should not be "EF40 Details, Scratched, Net VF20". The coin should not be relegated to a bodybag. It should be encapsulated and described as "EF40, Scratched" and leave it at that. Any price reduction warranted is an issue to be settled between ME AND THE DEALER AND NOBODY ELSE.
And let's be honest about something. If grading IS in fact subjective, a matter of opinion... then why pay money at all to have somebody else's opinion attached to a specific coin? The question we should be asking is this: Is the "professional" grader who examines my coin more accurate and consistent in assigning grades to coins I collect THAN I AM CAPABLE OF ASSIGNING? If the answer is "Yes", then it makes sense to have your coins graded by a particular TPG. However, if the answer is "No" (and judging by what many of us see with slabbed coins today, that may be the answer a lot of collectors give), then why would you pay to have that person's grade assignments attached to your coins? If you are a competent and consistent grader, you have no need for their opinions. Yeah, it's nice to sell a coin for more money because it happens to reside in a particular TPG slab, but shouldn't the real appeal of a TPG be in its accuracy and consistency?
All the kool-aid drinkers must still be asleep...
...but to not totally hijack this thread...and to keep my post somewhat relevant to the OP...
...looking at this coin...now graded by PCGS as an F-15...what I see is an eventual crackout/resubmission...
...it would be an invitation to get banned to even insinuate that any "major" TPG would have, as part of it's 'business model', a concept of "setting coins up" for eventual resubmissions... I mean, they wouldn't do stuff like that on purpose...
...whether on purpose or not...that is the way it plays out...
Well...to the OP... at least they didn't just keep your $30 and then send the coin back in a BB with the incredibly 'perfessional' opinion of "Questionable Color"...
ahhhhh...what's the use...don't get me started...otherwise I'll end up saying something that'll make me another "Mark" for the Mods to pack off to the land where "Legends" dwell...
<< <i>Jack Beymer would sell this coin as a F15.....but you'd pay XF money for it. >>
I second that notion. Sorry, OT...
<< <i>However, if the answer is "No" (and judging by what many of us see with slabbed coins today, that may be the answer a lot of collectors give), then why would you pay to have that person's grade assignments attached to your coins? If you are a competent and consistent grader, you have no need for their opinions. Yeah, it's nice to sell a coin for more money because it happens to reside in a particular TPG slab, but shouldn't the real appeal of a TPG be in its accuracy and consistency? >>
Well, I think the biggest reason is to make the coins easier to sell...and, of course, to make the sale price higher. To me that's the real draw of a TPG, not "consistency." It just makes more sense to have big money (whatever that means to you) coins in TPG plastic IMHO. Preserves the investment.
I personally would grade this coin VF20! But what the heck do I know about the F-VF Bufflalo grades? I only spent a few years looking at literally thousands of them!