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1955 Topps Roberto Clemente PSA 8; Fraud To The Nth Degree!!

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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Again, buy from reputable people. If you think you are going to get
    such a great deal you will lose.

    Buy from those that you know or at the least from someone that
    a friend has.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • goraidersgoraiders Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭
    just asked her to put todays date on a piece of paper and email a

    quick photo with the date,doubt i'll get a reply with it already going for 5700$
    J.R.
    Needs'
    1972 Football-9's high#'s
    1965 Football-8's
    1958 Topps FB-7-8
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Again, buy from reputable people. If you think you are going to get
    such a great deal you will lose.

    Buy from those that you know or at the least from someone that
    a friend has.

    Steve >>




    Steve:

    Let's take this a step further...

    Most sellers have a disclaimer that sales on graded cards are "final." Now, that would afford the buyer very little recourse. Even a "reputable" seller may not offer a refund. Now, reverting back to a previous thread, there's a reasonable chance that a buyer could receive a "doctored" card from a reputable seller and the transaction is final.

    I guess the best advice is to KNOW what you're buying, make certain that you can view scans that will provide you as much detail as possible (if the seller refuses or is reluctant, there's probably a reason), and if you have a doubt and the deal seems too good, understand that you're putting yourself at risk.

    As an example, I've begun working on a 1948 Leaf Football Set and buying raw card off of eBay in VG-EX and EX condition is risky. If the cards are nicer, I realize that there is a good chance they might be trimmed, especially if the seller typically offers graded material. I research accordingly. If a card is described as NRMT and the image has obvious flaws, then I also have to exercise due dilligence.

    Recently, I bought several cards from a seller with virtually perfect feedback and he bragged in his auction about being a very conservative grader. The auctions stated that the cards were crease free with clean backs. From the scans, I didn't expect much more than VG cards, although they were described as VG-EX, EX, and EX-MT. Well, one had paper loss on the back, one had at least EIGHT creases, and the others had multiple creases. I emailed the seller explaining that I was disappointed in the fact that the cards had creases and although I didn't expect the cards as graded, I also didn't expect to get creased cards! His response was terse and simply said, "I've been doing this for years. If you don't want them, send them back and I'll send a refund minus s/h and restocking." I told him I didn't want to send them back and that I'd use them as filler. All I wanted was to bring it to his attention and get an apology. I didn't get one and he got negative feedback as a result.

    Buyers need to be realistic on what to expect and not hold onto some pipe dream of an "experienced" seller undergrading their cards.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,234 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A quick example (assuming this card existed in a GEM MINT 10):

    image

    I use this as a mock-up on a website that I've been building. It took only a few minutes and the card in question was actually a PSA 5. Imagine what someone with intentions of defrauding could do if I managed this in only a matter of minutes without any intention to defraud?!?! >>



    Glad you told me it was fake...I was getting ready to bid on it. image
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