Coming in 2009.... Ultra High Relief Bullion Coin!

JohnMaben · March 18, 2008 12:16PM

Interesting read now at Coin World Online.... talk of a 2009 dated gold Ultra High Relief $50 that could switch to a palladium composition in 2010, making it a one year type.
Personally, I think the gold version would be the most popular modern era coin ever sold by the U.S. Mint in terms of appeal and popularity if they do not cap production. Your thoughts?

John

coinsarefun · March 18, 2008 12:21PM

Didn't they want to do a 1/2 ounce gold Ultra High Relief?

I may be completely wrong, and I actually hope that I am wrong.
It would be great to see a full 1 ounce coin.

Stefanie

coltgus · March 18, 2008 12:24PM

Yes, and it might put the kibosh on the ridiculous prices of high relief Saints ( or maybe not ).

1794half1839 · March 18, 2008 12:25PM

I think that it is a wonderful idea, I have been saying for a while we need to revive some of the classic designs.

bigmansam88 · March 18, 2008 1:41PM

<< I think that it is a wonderful idea, I have been saying for a while we need to revive some of the classic designs. >>

Bullish · March 18, 2008 2:26PM

I'll be there with bells on!! My favorite coin. Don't own a 1907, but can own a 2009!

jphendren · March 18, 2008 2:49PM

I think I would buy one if they look like the originals.

Jared

Raufus · March 24, 2008 12:50PM

I can't wait for the coin.

HOWEVER, having seen the original finest known at the Balto. show, I wish that they would just reproduce it exactly (except of course the date) and leave it at that. The "In G-d We Trust" was left off of the original by Augustis St. Gaudens for aesthetic reasons, for good reason I think. I also would rather see the double eagle size planchet. That said, I CAN'T WAIT for the coin in '09. Wish I had $4.3M for the one in Balto. (at least I got to hold if for a few minutes!).

MajorDuty · March 24, 2008 1:25PM

Any design outlines yet?

sumnom · March 24, 2008 1:51PM

Is "bullion coin" a contradiction in terms?

BECOKA · March 24, 2008 3:20PM

I am really, really, really looking forward to this.

Griv · March 24, 2008 3:27PM

<< Is "bullion coin" a contradiction in terms? >>

Stupid age old argument. Did you just wake up or just trying to start trouble?

COINB0Y · March 24, 2008 3:30PM

Would this replace the Buff? or In addition to the Buffalo's, now?

I thought the statute allowed the Buff to be replaced after 2-3 years?

I have to admit, this would be a home run.

aficionado · March 25, 2008 12:35AM

<< Didn't they want to do a 1/2 ounce gold Ultra High Relief?

I may be completely wrong, and I actually hope that I am wrong.
It would be great to see a full 1 ounce coin.

Stefanie >>

The way I read it, it will be 1 oz, but the diameter will be that of a 1/2 oz. It will be very thick.

ricko · March 25, 2008 12:58AM

High relief, 1 0z. .9999 pure gold on a 27mm planchet. Per CoinWorld. Cheers, RickO

CarlWohlforth · March 25, 2008 1:23AM

Sounds cool! I'd like one.

bigmansam88 · March 25, 2008 1:23AM

<< Sounds cool! I'd like one.

>>

So would I

halfhunter · March 25, 2008 1:39AM

I have always thought that it would be neat to see designs, changing yearly, of ASEs in classic US coin designs.
Imagine the SLQ, well struck, on this large palette, or the Seated Liberty, or Capped Bust. Or maybe pattern coins.

I love the WL design, but after 22 years it is getting a little "long in the tooth" to me.

This would also create competition with the Australian and Chinese bullion that has annual design changes.

Thoughts?

Regards,

John

Zoins · March 25, 2008 2:04AM

<< I have always thought that it would be neat to see designs, changing yearly, of ASEs in classic US coin designs.
Imagine the SLQ, well struck, on this large palette, or the Seated Liberty, or Capped Bust. Or maybe pattern coins. >>

It would create some nice toners as well.

BECOKA · March 25, 2008 2:23AM

<< Would this replace the Buff? or In addition to the Buffalo's, now?

I thought the statute allowed the Buff to be replaced after 2-3 years?

I have to admit, this would be a home run. >>

This is in addition to the Buff, I believe it is a 1 year deal. Because of the complexity and double thickness it will only be 1 ounce, no fractional denominations.

The Buffalo coins were eligible to change designs after the first year. Now the fractional denominations will be available I am hoping they change the design starting next year.

Griv · March 25, 2008 9:48AM

I am looking forward to this but it is amazing how much gold, silver and platinum the Mint is throwing at us. I think the Spouse series will end up being very rare since no one can put up with that one till the end. This one will be a very popular coin in my opinion.

BECOKA · March 25, 2008 10:59AM

<< Didn't they want to do a 1/2 ounce gold Ultra High Relief?

I may be completely wrong, and I actually hope that I am wrong.
It would be great to see a full 1 ounce coin.

Stefanie >>

I think it was that it would be the diameter of the half ounce but it is twice as thick so it is 1 ounce.

sumnom · March 25, 2008 11:09AM

<< 

<< Is "bullion coin" a contradiction in terms? >>

Stupid age old argument. Did you just wake up or just trying to start trouble? >>

I'm sorry you couldn't answer the question, Griv.

Is bullion considered a sort of NCLT or is it a different category altogether?

eCoinquest · March 25, 2008 11:13AM

I hope they look like the originals and don't tweek the design some way.
If they are close to the originals and don't have a crappy finish like a SF or something, then I will have to buy a few.... Maybe 1 or 2 or 10.

jsf · June 24, 2008 4:30PM

I just found this notice. I'm jealous of you lucky dogs who get to see this exhibit!

link to US Mint website

MBAgold · June 24, 2008 5:00PM

I have gold fever!!! I want this.

INXS · June 25, 2008 2:39AM

I am in for 3, one for me and one for each of the grandsons.

I wonder how PCGS will holder these?

cheezhed · June 25, 2008 2:44AM

<< I think that it is a wonderful idea, I have been saying for a while we need to revive some of the classic designs. >>

That's all the Mint has been doing lately.

jmski52 · June 25, 2008 2:57AM

Is "bullion coin" a contradiction in terms?

No, why would it be?

Is bullion considered a sort of NCLT or is it a different category altogether?

Same category as "classic gold" Double Eagles. You can spend one for face value any time you want.

I agree with Griv. Try another tack.

BECOKA · June 25, 2008 3:05AM

All I know is this is one of the few mint bullion products I am really interested in. I don't care if they make so many it's only worth bullion, it's an affordable way to own the classic design.

adamlaneus · June 25, 2008 3:08AM

And if they come out with fractional buffalos this year, this poses a small financial dilemma, as I had not budgeted for that (which I must have).

State quarters... Pres dollars... Gold buffalos... Gold spouses... Special pennies... Special nickels... Now this St. Gaudens reproduction.

Is it my imagination, or is the US mint far more active at this point in history than at any other?

veryfine · June 25, 2008 3:22AM

<< I hope they look like the originals and don't tweek the design some way.
If they are close to the originals and don't have a crappy finish like a SF or something, then I will have to buy a few.... Maybe 1 or 2 or 10.

>>

This is an important point for me.
If the mint dares to "improve" the great original design, I will not buy it.
They may take the usual artistically clumsy approach by sharpening features, adding more drapery detail, etc. They may completely screw up Liberty's face by refining or "feminizing" the original sculptural features; maybe a little pixie nose and a delicate little chin. How about slimming her down like the current gold eagle rendition?
Again, I would have no interest.

aficionado · June 25, 2008 3:59AM

<< 

<< Didn't they want to do a 1/2 ounce gold Ultra High Relief?

I may be completely wrong, and I actually hope that I am wrong.
It would be great to see a full 1 ounce coin.

Stefanie >>

I think it was that it would be the diameter of the half ounce but it is twice as thick so it is 1 ounce. >>

It's the diameter of the 1/4 oz coin, not a half ounce.

mojorizn · June 25, 2008 4:05AM

I've already begun putting back the funds for a few of these. It will be interesting to see the strike characteristics of the double thickness planchet. Be on the lookout for some interesting varieties, depending on the die life and mintage.

Mojo

PerryHall · June 25, 2008 5:02AM

<< It's the diameter of the 1/4 oz coin, not a half ounce. >>

Where did you see this information?

MajorDuty · June 25, 2008 5:35AM

<< It's the diameter of the 1/4 oz coin, not a half ounce. >>

That sounds,....weird. This would look like that icon of a stapled stack of nickels. You sure that information is correct?

RWB · June 25, 2008 5:45AM

It is my understanding that the Mint used copies of the original December 1906 models to make reductions and hubs. The originals should be stored in a basement vault in the Philadelphia Mint, and the Saint-Gaudens National Historic Site in Cornish, NH has copies also. (These are marked “Test Model” on the reverse – see Renaissance of American Coinage 1905-1908 for photos and complete details.)

Given improvements in technology over the last century and our modern mint’s desire to produce the best possible product, I suspect MMIX-dated pieces will be sharper and more detailed than original EHR $20 experimental pieces struck in 1907.

Modern pieces are to be the same diameter as a $10 (27mm) but thick enough to contain one ounce of gold. They are planned to be struck in extremely high relief like the MCMVII small diameter $20. (Only two originals exist and both are in the Smithsonian.)

MBAgold · June 25, 2008 7:45AM

<< And if they come out with fractional buffalos this year, this poses a small financial dilemma, as I had not budgeted for that (which I must have).

State quarters... Pres dollars... Gold buffalos... Gold spouses... Special pennies... Special nickels... Now this St. Gaudens reproduction.

Is it my imagination, or is the US mint far more active at this point in history than at any other? >>

Or the Mint is telling us something like the storm is coming and its on the horizon.

I'm glad that the Mint made the buffalos gold and issuing the St Gaudens next year. Honestly I'm getting a bit fed up with all the remakes. Especially the American Silver Eagles front side...

its taken from the Walker Halves.

Why not have the American public create a few new designs, since creativity comes from openness?

Goldbully · June 25, 2008 7:47AM

UNITED STATES MINT TO PROVIDE A GOLDEN MOMENT AT WORLD'S FAIR OF MONEY® IN BALTIMORE

The United States Mint has chosen the nation's largest coin show in Baltimore, Md., this summer to unveil the much-anticipated 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle gold coin-a modern version of what many call the most beautiful gold piece ever created. United States Mint Director Ed Moy will participate in the Opening Ceremony of the American Numismatic Association's World's Fair of Money on Wednesday, July 30, 2008, at 9:30 a.m. and then officially open the United States Mint exhibit. The display at the United States Mint booth will show the development of this modern masterpiece-a one-ounce 24-karat (.9999 pure) gold Ultra High Relief Double Eagle.

Aided by advancements in technology, the United States Mint now can produce in quantity the ultra high relief coin envisioned, but never fully realized, by renowned sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens in the early 20th century. The collectible coin will be about 50 percent thicker than other United States Mint one-ounce gold coins to achieve the greater depth and relief to which Saint-Gaudens aspired. Visitors will be able to feel the ultra high relief on a plaster of the coin that will be featured at the exhibit.

The 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle gold coin exhibit will remain on display throughout the week at the United States Mint booth on the bourse floor at the World's Fair of Money.

The United States Mint will make these coins available for sale to the public in the beginning of 2009. There will be no mintage limit. The coins will only be sold in 2009. Like the original Double Eagles, the new coin will have a denomination of $20. The sales price will depend on prevailing world gold prices in 2009.

WHAT:

United States Mint Provides a Golden Moment, Unveiling the 2009 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle Gold Coin Exhibit

WHO:

United States Mint Director Ed Moy

ANA Executive Director Larry Shepherd & Former ANA Executive Directors

WHEN:

9:30 a.m., Wednesday, July 30, 2008, (Follows Opening Ceremony of the World's Fair of Money)

WHERE:

United States Mint Booth
World's Fair of Money
Baltimore Convention Center
One West Pratt Street, Baltimore, MD 21201

Contact: Press inquiries: Michael White (202) 354-7222
Customer Service information: (800) USA MINT (872-6468)

Mint Link

adamlaneus · June 25, 2008 7:49AM

Gold. Excellent.

I think that just sealed the deal for at least two orders from me.

One that I can touch. One that stays untouched.

EagleEye · June 25, 2008 7:55AM

Since the only examples known Double-thick High Relief $20's from 1907 are owned by the US Government, There can be no reduction of demand due to the issuance of this coin. I'll even buy a few.

aficionado · June 25, 2008 8:35AM

<< 

<< It's the diameter of the 1/4 oz coin, not a half ounce. >>

That sounds,....weird. This would look like that icon of a stapled stack of nickels. You sure that information is correct? >>

My mistake. 1/2 oz is the size.

RWB · June 25, 2008 9:22AM

The 27mm diameter pieces struck in 1907 are approximately four times as thick as a normal diameter $20. MMIX-dated reproductions should be similar.

(PS: The design was never referred to as “ultra” anything by the mint – only as “extremely high relief.” “Ultra” is a meaningless modern exaggeration. The relief is barely as pronounced as on most ordinary medals, and far less than on most U.S Mint medals.)

Coming in 2009.... Ultra High Relief Bullion Coin!

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