1953 Topps Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays Recolored

JackWESQ

BBCExchange's reputation is impeccable. That said, I could see someone purchasing these cards, cracking them out and selling them as raw and unaltered and turn a profit. Your thoughts?

/s/ JackWESQ

Willie Mays

Mickey Mantle

jimq112

I don't think they can be responsible for what somebody might do later. It would be the same as someone selling the card raw before it was recolored, and the buyer cleaning it up and reselling it on ebay.

Everything I bought from them was accurately described, packed well, and shipped fast.

There's a market for damaged cards, hopefully these ones end up with a bottom feeder like me. I don't mind damaged/repaired cards at low prices instead of buying reprints.

Last week I saw a trimmed Jim Thorpe that was trimmed and had a corner repaired. Somebody wrote on the back of the card that it was trimmed and repaired. Nice for the future buyer, but ruined the card for me. I like the backs of cards as much as the fronts. trimmed thorpe

swartz1

without a doubt...

Ladder7

Those will be back out in the mean streets, raw.

BobaFett72

what a shame on that Thorpe, nice way to totally destroy a card.

Morgoth

I see no issues with selling those cards. Another great reason card grading became popular in the first place.

MantleMarisFordBerra

Alright, time for me to get an education - what is recoloring and how do you do it and most importantly how do you spot it? I see nothing on those cards that jump out at me as strange. I know sometimes people will take a black marker to black border cards (like '71s) but what happened to these two '53s?

Thanks in advance for your insight.

WinPitcher

The bottom left corner on the Mantle appears to me where they recolored it.


Steve

Ladder7

Mays, about 80% of the black background is recolored. The Mantle appears less so.

digicat

The 53 Topps Mays cards looks like that already. Lower right corner is probably where it's at.

sagard

Recoloring on edges is usually VERY easy to spot. Looking at the edge of the card the marker will usually bleed into the side.

stevek

<< <i>BBCExchange's reputation is impeccable. That said, I could see someone purchasing these cards, cracking them out and selling them as raw and unaltered and turn a profit. Your thoughts?

/s/ JackWESQ

Willie Mays

Mickey Mantle



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No way - they're worth a lot more, A LOT more money in a PSA holder and it's not even close.

stevek

Keep in mind also that recoloring can also be done when trying to cover up scuff marks which commonly occured when cards were thrown on concrete or asphalt to see who could get their tossed card closest to the wall.

I know - I was actually dam good at tossing cards closest to the wall - I won a lot of baseball cards that way.

kingraider75

Why not just get them graded as a PSA 1 or 2?? I would rather have that htan authentic.

Leiascards

They are considered altered and ungradeable as a PSA 1 or 2. They were only graded as authentic due to their value

WinPitcher

I think King meant instead of coloring them.

Stevek I would think that someone could get more for them raw
as lonng as the buyer does not know they are recolored.

Yes they are worth more slabbed recolored then raw recolored.

Steve

frankhardy

<< <i>I think King meant instead of coloring them.

Stevek I would think that someone could get more for them raw
as lonng as the buyer does not know they are recolored.

Yes they are worth more slabbed recolored then raw recolored.

Steve >>



They may have been recolored many years ago - before grading. Many, many 1971 Topps were done that way.

jrinck

Only an idiot would buy either of those raw, so the question is, who has more money, the idiot who will buy this raw, or someone astute who will buy it in the holder?

stevek

<< <i>Only an idiot would buy either of those raw, so the question is, who has more money, the idiot who will buy this raw, or someone astute who will buy it in the holder? >>



Bingo!

How clear does this have to be for WinPicher to get it? And WinPitcher is an intelligent guy with solid knowledge about baseball cards who I have a lot of respect for...Why he isn't getting this quite obvious point I don't know?

WinPitcher

That was my whole point SteveK the world is filled with idiots.

That was what you were missing. I didn't want to say it that way.

yes, some idiot could get duped, what part of that don't you understand?


And to help you along I'll quote it word for word.........


so the question is, who has more money, the idiot who will buy this raw, or someone astute who will buy it in the holder?



Now do you understand? you are basing your whole theory that no one will buy it raw. An idiot would! Or some unsuspecting
collector. And the sale does not have to take place only on ebay.

And this is exactly what I was trying to say all along. You are like a horse with blinders you only see your point.
I saw yours. I even agreed with you, and only tried to give mine. You under no circumstances would agree that the cards could be sold raw
Of course they could be, and for more money POSSIBLY too. Now the question is DO YOU GET IT?




All of a sudden the world is filled with rocket scientists?

Do you really think that NO ONE out there would buy them raw?

Or is this another of your blanket statements?



Steve

jimq112

I think you should all stop looking at them so I can get them cheaper

RipublicaninMass

some weasel might gamble that cracking it and selling it raw would make them more money, and it would. Since the cards are athentic and not reprints someone who does not colelct graded cards would pay top $$ and not know they were restored

SDSportsFan

<< <i>They may have been recolored many years ago - before grading. Many, many 1971 Topps were done that way. >>





Yup.....recoloring of 1953 and 1971 Topps baseball cards was a big problem back in the 1970's and early 1980's. I remember naively buying a 1953 Topps Willie Mays, only to learn some time later that it was touched up with a magic marker on the edges


Steve

stevek

<< <i>That was my whole point SteveK the world is filled with idiots.

That was what you were missing. I didn't want to say it that way.

yes, some idiot could get duped, what part of that don't you understand?


And to help you along I'll quote it word for word.........


so the question is, who has more money, the idiot who will buy this raw, or someone astute who will buy it in the holder?



Now do you understand? you are basing your whole theory that no one will buy it raw. An idiot would! Or some unsuspecting
collector. And the sale does not have to take place only on ebay.

And this is exactly what I was trying to say all along. You are like a horse with blinders you only see your point.
I saw yours. I even agreed with you, and only tried to give mine. You under no circumstances would agree that the cards could be sold raw
Of course they could be, and for more money POSSIBLY too. Now the question is DO YOU GET IT?




All of a sudden the world is filled with rocket scientists?

Do you really think that NO ONE out there would buy them raw?

Or is this another of your blanket statements?



Steve >>




Got your point Steve...I'll leave it at that.


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JackWESQ

Okay, now we have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. The Mick sold for $481.00 and the Mays sold for $456.00. Now, we're NOT talking about whether bbcexchange made SOME profit, PURE profit or NO profit off these cards. That's irrelevant. The original inquiry was whether someone could buy these cards, crack them out, sell them on ebay as raw and unaltered AND make a profit.

Based on the selling prices, I think there is a distinct possibility. Of course this is unscientific, but this raw 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle went for $760.00 here:

Raw 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle (Pictured below)

Is the raw card comparable to the PSA Authentic card? Arguably. But who knows. And this Mick went for $660.00 here:

Raw 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle (Pictured below)

And what of the Mays? This Mays went for $687.77 here (though it looks in better condition than the PSA Authentic card):

Raw 1953 Topps Willie Mays (Pictured below)

My conclusion? I think those cards could be craked out and sold for a profit. Of course, the seller might be hearing from the buyer if the buyer ultimately submitted the raw/cracked out cards and came back not graded.

/s/ JackWESQ

earlycalguy

recolored or not many lower grade vintage HOF players can be cracked out and sold more raw than graded.