A coin cabinet
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Are there collectors that use them or are they a thing of the past?
I asked the same question on the US Forum.
I asked the same question on the US Forum.
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Shep
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http://www.coincabinets.com/martlet/martlet.html
Amongst the Litesiders, you're most likely to encounter them amongst the EAC (Early American Copper) folks, I would imagine. Everybody else is slabhappy.
ID love to get an antique one, one day, just for the heck of it... but thanks for sharing!
I have been able to acquire Karl Goetz' personal medal cabinet from the Goetz family (grandson) in Munich. Apparently Karl was into antiques and in 1905, when he arrived in Munich, he had this piece created from a mid-19th century piece of furniture...perhaps a wardrobe but I'm not sure exactly.
Here are some so-so images the family sent me.
Here are the two front doors of the cabinet. It is made from walnut and has two sturdy locks with keys. The piece stands 200cm (6'5") and is 4 feet wide and 21/2 feet deep.
There are 80 drawers on the inside and it appears that each drawer is lined with green felt. I made sure the missing drawer in the photo below was located before making the deal. The base cabinet looks a tad rough so I might take the piece directly to an antique conservator for restoration before it heads home with me. The additional expense will only make the piece more valuable I think.
I am hoping to have the cabinet air cargo to me at the end of April...all 700lbs. of it....
I don't need to tell you that it is one of a kind and I am deeply honored to own this piece of history. The cabinet purchase includes a notarized affidavit from the Goetz family attesting to its authenticity.
It's one thing to collect a particular artists work and quite another when you can place that work, full circle, where the artist did originally.
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Well done!
Rick
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dime. My oldest US
detecting find so far.
I dig almost every
signal I get for the most
part. Go figure...
What a cool piece of furniture...
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in all seriousness... AWESOME
<< <i>I have been able to acquire Karl Goetz' personal medal cabinet from the Goetz family (grandson) in Munich. >>
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A big congratulations
What a great piece of history and yes I agree that antique preservation will increase its value and from my experience, if done professionally, the cabinet will look as nice as the day Goetz himself used it.
<< <i>The base cabinet looks a tad rough so I might take the piece directly to an antique conservator for restoration before it heads home with me. The additional expense will only make the piece more valuable I think. >>
That's what they say on the Antique Roadshow.
<< <i>The cabinet purchase includes a notorized affidavit from the Goetz family attesting to its authenticity. >>
What a great provenance, especially after you fill it with Goetz medals!
That gives me goosebumps, man. That is one helluva score. I cannot imagine having so many of his medals, and then being able to put them in his own cabinet. Amazing, just amazing
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Tom, formerly in Albuquerque, NM.
very impressive and I can hardly wait to see your images Cacheman.
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You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
That is truly a remarkable find and purchase. Congrats!
I have an old TV that I hope to one day convert to a coincabinet
Now I need to find someone that can do it for me!
Dan
<< <i>I have been able to acquire Karl Goetz' personal medal cabinet from the Goetz family (grandson) in Munich. >>
Thats awesome!
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Well, the cabinet arrived yesterday from Munich and I cleared it through Customs this morning. I took it immediately to a conservator recommended by the Portland Art Museum and left it there. He estimates that the piece will be ready to be delivered to my home at the end of the month. It was advised that the piece get mostly a cleaning with only a small amount of touch-up. He said the wear is "use-wear" and it should remain that way. He estimated that the pieces was French and from the late 18th Century. Goetz then converted it to a medal cabinet around 1905. Goetz collected antiques which this obviously was a part of the collection.
To my surprise, when the bottom cabinet was opened, another thirty (?) drawers are located there. I said we needed to look for hidden compartments and the conservator took out the bottom two drawers...Lo and Behold, another tray with perhaps 30 or more gypsum casts that Goetz had made from renaissance medals, talers, and coins...perhaps for study. There were also several wax seals and a handful of 1950 Pfennigs, the year Goetz died. The drawers all contained medal title tags too...the cabinet held Goetz' finest pieces used for models until the 1980's Gorny & Mosch sale...the entire collection went and the cabinet stayed. You can still see the medal imprinted images on the velvet drawer liners. What a 'cache' man!
I tooK some pictures of the arrival and opening of the crate. Nothing too special but once I get them resized I'll post some here.
Can't wait to cut new black velvet liners for the drawers and get my collection in place! I also acquired his engraving tools (hand-made by Goetz) and letter punches...I need to image and catalog these before I post anything more though. Glad I've got vacation starting next month...guess what I'll be up too?
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<< <i>GOETZ Cabinet Update...Well, the cabinet arrived yesterday from Munich... >>
Scott, that's truly an amazing acquisition; congrats! -Preussen
I think we are lucky you took such an interest in Goetz, not only his work but his life, politics and influence.
Thanks for doing such a bang-up job and sharing it with us.
Shep
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I won't be so crass as to ask how much the cabinet cost, but I'm curious how much it cost to ship (if you don't mind sharing that aspect), and how was it packed to avoid damage in transit? It looks fairly delicate in some respects...
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Do you plan on a replica drawer for the two that aren't shown? Missing? Any chance there is also a "coin map" showing which drawers Goetz's own medals resided?
BTW, YOU SUCK™.
<< <i>GOETZ Cabinet Update Well, the cabinet arrived yesterday from Munich and I cleared it through Customs this morning. I took it immediately to a conservator recommended by the Portland Art Museum and left it there. He estimates that the piece will be ready to be delivered to my home at the end of the month. It was advised that the piece get mostly a cleaning with only a small amount of touch-up. He said the wear is "use-wear" and it should remain that way. He estimated that the pieces was French and from the late 18th Century. Goetz then converted it to a medal cabinet around 1905. Goetz collected antiques which this obviously was a part of the collection. To my surprise, when the bottom cabinet was opened, another thirty (?) drawers are located there. I said we needed to look for hidden compartments and the conservator took out the bottom two drawers...Lo and Behold, another tray with perhaps 30 or more gypsum casts that Goetz had made from renaissance medals, talers, and coins...perhaps for study. There were also several wax seals and a handful of 1950 Pfennigs, the year Goetz died. The drawers all contained medal title tags too...the cabinet held Goetz' finest pieces used for models until the 1980's Gorny & Mosch sale...the entire collection went and the cabinet stayed. You can still see the medal imprinted images on the velvet drawer liners. What a 'cache' man!
WOW.
Thank you so much for sharing all the history that goes with not only your collection, but the cabinet as well~
Jim
Will you feature the cabinet in your coffee table book that I'm planning on buying oh-by-the-way-in-case-you-didn't-know-you-were-writing-one?
Cathy
The two drawers are present...he just didn't have them in place when he took the images. Also, most of the velvet has imprints of the medal outlines and devices so it's easy enough to see where they sat for many years before being sold in the Gorny & Mosch sale.
karlgoetzmedals.com
secessionistmedals.com
This is what the crate looked like when they dumped it in the truck...
I picked up a fellow collector who wanted to see the cabinet and this is him and John, the conservator, checking the bottom of the unit out right after we unpacked and started unloading. This gives you a pretty good idea of the cabinet's size...
A better view of the top unit of the cabinet
The conservator inspecting the bottom unit (see drawers stacked on top?)
A better view of the drawer system on the bottom unit.
And finally, The cache of gypsum casts, wax seals, and Pfennigs that were discovered in this tray under the bottom drawers of the bottom unit. Tags pulled from assorted drawers and are from both Karl and Guido.
karlgoetzmedals.com
secessionistmedals.com
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I think I'm getting a woody just looking at that image...
What is the little violin-shaped cast in the lower left corner? Looks interesting...
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<< <i>That is so hardcore I'm having a hard time typing. How cool is it that someone who is such a scholar of Goetz would be able to acquire the actual cabinet, and then also find the pieces in a secret compartment that all of us would dreamed about, wished for, hoped for, and anxiously looked for!
I couldn't have said it better. Wow - what an adventure!