Roberto clemente photostamp - graded right?

swartz1

clemente photostamps


Someone is not going to be happy - I find it hard to beleive that the perforation marks are on the back of this stamp - its "too tight" on the front - emailed seller and he says he cant scan the back for me he is out of town - be careful on these - IMO - they should say authentic...good luck...

JAHE

swartz1

Dont get screwed on this one - this is really a 1969 - mislabled (IMO) - and heading claims a 1 of 1 - I have yet to see a legit 1970 photostamp of Rose - anyone have one? watch this auction - be careful...

Rose photostamp

MuckyMutt

I'm sure you knoiw a lot about these photo stamps, but without more detail information it sounds like you're saying to be careful of items in a PSA holder.

So are we to put PSA in the same class as CSA, GEM, PRO, etc.?

swartz1

Wow - that was quite a jump to CSA,MGS etc - my comment to the community is be careful - too many unsuspecting buyers - buying hof'ers will be disappointed to find out that - that rose is not a 1970 - mistake by PSA or by the person submitting the card saying it was a 1970? who knows - the back is the dead giveaway - right now I have 9 - 1969 into PSA for the bulk submission - and guess what - they are exactly what this auction is puporting to be a 1970 - will show scans when they come back - 1970's carry a higher premium (a much higher premimum) - good luck!!

swartz1

Banks stamp

just to emphasize my point - I bought this knowing it was not a photostamp - I will resub this to PSA and get the correct flip on it - sometimes you can make out on the mistakes... can you guess what it really is? Have you ever seen a photostamp with perforations on the front? c'mon play along...

MuckyMutt

OK, so you're saying that all of these that you mention are mislabeled or incorrectly identified.

I know that PSA makes errors on their flips now and then, and a mechanical error is one thing. But when there is an issue that is not too well known, and there is some fairly serious value involved, I find it quite disturbing that one can no longer "trust" the PSA label to ensure that they are getting what they think they should be getting. Isn't that the purpose of a reputable grading company - to insure the authenticity, condition, and identification of the item? What are we paying for if not that?

Another way to look at this particular situation: Hypothetically let's say a collector really wants to buy these cheap. So he claims that they are mis-identified and that PSA is wrong. Others decide not to bid on them and he gets them cheap. Mission accomplished. Do we listen to and trust PSA, or any collector who gives a differing opinion? Why can we not believe the "experts" (PSA)? Are we back to square one where having a card in a slab is meaningless and no different that raw?

Inquiring minds want to know.

OAKESY25

is the banks a bazooka stamp?

redlegs

JAHE,

How do you tell the difference between the 1969 and 1970 photostamps? I am assuming the photos on the front are the same.

Phil

redlegs

I believe the Banks is a Dell Stamp from 1971.

swartz1

Nice - Redlegs - low pop on that - and I like banks

I dont want to stir up a hornets nest - but I believe (IMO) the SCD is incorret because I have not ever seen a rose in a 1970 photostamp - ryan, yaz, carlton, jackson - yes - these I believe were almost part of an "update set" apart from the 69 - that were later issued in 1970 -

1969 sheets - yellow top
1970 sheets - white top

This is what I have found in my research - if anyone has more info - I will gladly look at it -

Again for Mucky - i am not bad mouthing PSA - I am a loyal subsciber - I enjoy PSA cards - I am just trying to help the community by bringing an awareness to an issue - like you say - I think that clemente will bring over $100 - but.... buyer beware

BobaFett72

swartz,
i noticed all of those auctions and was curious since the photos you sent me of the ones you hand-cut all had significant borders.

are you saying that the only way to get them graded is they have to have a full white border on the edges and the clear perforation marks on the back?

if your hand cutting them, if you cut one you ruin the ones surrounding it correct?

what about the ones on the top border of the sheets? there are no white borders on the top, its colored. How can these ever be graded? ill throw up some scans later

BobaFett72

here is a complete uncut 1969 photostamp sheet. I have several complete sets of these, all uncut.

Notice the top border has no white on it, how can you grade the top strip of stamps?





Noted the 1969 on the obverse (lower left corner on the sheets) Are the 1970's dated? are they the same pictures>?

Here is a Jesus alou i cut with an Xacto paper cutter


Here is a reverse scan of the sheet; it's impossible to cut out one with a perfect border and not destroy the ones surrounding it.

swartz1

I will try to answer a few questions to the best of my ability -

yes you cut the top ones with the "yellow" still shown - so "it kinds looks funny" but will grade by PSA just fine... as long as the back shows correct perforations lines...

Yes - if you cut one - you ruin the others around the one you are cutting - because you cant get the perforations...

I will scan a 1970 and the back once my kids get to bed...

Good Luck Bob...

edited to add perforation lines...

and Bob look at this auction - I know this seller and have had quality dealings with him - but this aaron is a 1969 - take a look at the top - it is yellow (big red flag) the 1969's were yellow topped and the 1970's were white!!!

Aaron stamp