What's a common?
OnlyThe10s
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I'm watching an auction that has a BIN that's way above VCP average. I offered a fair price (right about the VCP average) and he declined.
I then messaged him and advised that this is a common card in a common grade.
He said that it's not a common because it's a low-pop.
Is the definition of "common"...
1) A card in a set that's not a "star"? or
2) A card in a set that has high-pop?
If you take a card like, let's say, the Gretzky RC, there's thousands of them graded... but this is far from a "common" in my mind.
So... what is the general concensus on this?
Thanks!
I then messaged him and advised that this is a common card in a common grade.
He said that it's not a common because it's a low-pop.
Is the definition of "common"...
1) A card in a set that's not a "star"? or
2) A card in a set that has high-pop?
If you take a card like, let's say, the Gretzky RC, there's thousands of them graded... but this is far from a "common" in my mind.
So... what is the general concensus on this?
Thanks!
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some of the old commons are big $ though no matter what
<< <i>I hate when buyers email me and tell me all about MY card and why I should accept THEIR offer. >>
I hear ya nick, but this really was a no-name, average-pop card and I was offering right around VCP. Would you reject that offer?
This generally works for almost any Mom with little or no interest in sports.
<< <i>I hear ya nick, but this really was a no-name, average-pop card and I was offering right around VCP. Would you reject that offer? >>
Impossible for me to say without specifics.
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<< <i>I hear ya nick, but this really was a no-name, average-pop card and I was offering right around VCP. Would you reject that offer? >>
Impossible for me to say without specifics. >>
Okay, I dont want to link to the auction because I think this person may be a board member.
So... it's a card for a player you've literally never heard of. The population is much higher than almost all other cards in this set, and it's only a PSA 6. There are more than triple this quantity in 7, then there's a few 8's, 2 9's and no 10's.
If someone was offering you VCP price on this, would you take it?
At least tell us if it is mainstream like a regular Topps issue or not like Topps Greatest Moments
What era is it. pre-war, 50's, 60's, 70's
But in general, I believe that VCP is a good indicator of FMV as long as at least 5 sales in the last year are recorded
<< <i>how many 6's, if there is 2 6's and 6 7's he is probably right, it would command a premium.
At least tell us if it is mainstream like a regular Topps issue or not like Topps Greatest Moments
What era is it. pre-war, 50's, 60's, 70's
But in general, I believe that VCP is a good indicator of FMV as long as at least 5 sales in the last year are recorded >>
There are more than 30 6's and more than 90 7's. It's a post-war mainstream issue.
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There are more than 30 6's and more than 90 7's. It's a post-war mainstream issue. >>
This is becoming tedious. Just tell us what the card is.
<< <i>Sorry, I stink at charades. Call me when men are going to talk freely. >>
The point of this was to keep the card annonymous. The most important facts have already been stated.
I think the seller is being unreasonable, but I wanted other opinions.
<< <i>I'll guess Professor Plum in the library with the candlestick. >>
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<< <i>The most important facts have already been stated. >>
Really? Where? In Hieroglyphics on the wall?
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<< <i>The most important facts have already been stated. >>
Really? Where? In Hieroglyphics on the wall? >>
Well, the issue, the total pop, the pop within the grade, the pop higher, the era, the fact that I offered VCP average....
Arent these the important facts?
I remember a similar issue with the 1994 sp red die cut manny psa 10.
If you don't want to pay a particular price for a particular card then wait until that card becomes available at the price you are willing to pay.
It is a very simple principle that you seem to have a very hard time grasping.
When you go to a restaurant and see a steak priced at $65 do you call over the manager and try to explain to him that most steaks only cost $20 and you just had a steak the day before for $20 or do you just not go to that restaurant?
<< <i>It's a post-war mainstream issue. >>
Can you be a little more vague? If Charlie Chan had these clues he'd be running a laundromat.
<< <i>The most important issue is that you try to tell people what their cards are worth...
I remember a similar issue with the 1994 sp red die cut manny psa 10.
If you don't want to pay a particular price for a particular card then wait until that card becomes available at the price you are willing to pay.
It is a very simple principle that you seem to have a very hard time grasping.
When you go to a restaurant and see a steak priced at $65 do you call over the manager and try to explain to him that most steaks only cost $20 and you just had a steak the day before for $20 or do you just not go to that restaurant? >>
This is different. With the Manny, we had no data or past sales to go by. In this case, I said that I offered the VCP average. Why am I the bad guy here?
I was simply asking what the definition of a common is.
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<< <i>It's a post-war mainstream issue. >>
Can you be a little more vague? If Charlie Chan had these clues he'd be running a laundromat. >>
Wow guys, can you give me a break here? It's a 49 bowman. Which, by the way, is irrelevant, considering what my ACTUAL question was... but feel fre to dig on me if you want
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<< <i>The most important issue is that you try to tell people what their cards are worth...
I remember a similar issue with the 1994 sp red die cut manny psa 10.
If you don't want to pay a particular price for a particular card then wait until that card becomes available at the price you are willing to pay.
It is a very simple principle that you seem to have a very hard time grasping.
When you go to a restaurant and see a steak priced at $65 do you call over the manager and try to explain to him that most steaks only cost $20 and you just had a steak the day before for $20 or do you just not go to that restaurant? >>
This is different. With the Manny, we had no data or past sales to go by. In this case, I said that I offered the VCP average. Why am I the bad guy here?
I was simply asking what the definition of a common is. >>
In no way am I even remotely saying you are a bad guy. I just don't understand why you don't understand that sellers wont always sell you cards at what you believe to be fair market value. You seem to take it personal.
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<< <i>The most important issue is that you try to tell people what their cards are worth...
I remember a similar issue with the 1994 sp red die cut manny psa 10.
If you don't want to pay a particular price for a particular card then wait until that card becomes available at the price you are willing to pay.
It is a very simple principle that you seem to have a very hard time grasping.
When you go to a restaurant and see a steak priced at $65 do you call over the manager and try to explain to him that most steaks only cost $20 and you just had a steak the day before for $20 or do you just not go to that restaurant? >>
This is different. With the Manny, we had no data or past sales to go by. In this case, I said that I offered the VCP average. Why am I the bad guy here?
I was simply asking what the definition of a common is. >>
In no way am I even remotely saying you are a bad guy. I just don't understand why you don't understand that sellers wont always sell you cards at what you believe to be fair market value. You seem to take it personal. >>
I offered VCP average. This is a "REAL" market value if you ask me. And this card is not rare, or high-condition. I guess I just thought he would have accepted in a heartbeat instead of asking a ridiculously unreasonable price.
Come on , you know damn well that there is not a person on this planet who collects cards that would consider a gretzky rookie a common based on the population report.
A common to most people is someone who did nothing special in his career and is only collected because he is part of the set. (obviously some exceptions)
Now as far as set registry goes- common cards in uncommon grades command huge premiums.
<< <i>If you take a card like, let's say, the Gretzky RC, there's thousands of them graded... but this is far from a "common" in my mind.
Come on , you know damn well that there is not a person on this planet who collects cards that would consider a gretzky rookie a common based on the population report.
A common to most people is someone who did nothing special in his career and is only collected because he is part of the set. (obviously some exceptions)
Now as far as set registry goes- common cards in uncommon grades command huge premiums. >>
My point exactly (as stated in py previous post) that this card is a common card and it's not an uncommon grade in an uncommon grade... there's tons graded higher.
I fully understand that a common card in an uncommon grade would demand a premium. I guess my point was that I wasnt sure that this card (considering it's pop and grade) would demand a premium.
<< <i>I offered VCP average. This is a "REAL" market value if you ask me. And this card is not rare, or high-condition. I guess I just thought he would have accepted in a heartbeat instead of asking a ridiculously unreasonable price. >>
This has what to do with what you claim to be your original question?
You came here to complain about someone not accepting your offer. Don't take it personal. You may think it's a reasonable offer, but the seller clearly wants more.
I don't understand why you always seem to run into these problems.
<< <i>I guess my point was that I wasnt sure that this card (considering it's pop and grade) would demand a premium. >>
Well we arent sure either because the only one who knows what card it is wants to play Blue's Clues.
"Molon Labe"
Its 5:44am and i am going to work on a saturday and i am not happy about it.
damn you lee
I will expand a little on Roger's excellent thoughts above. When you see an auction with a buy it now price you have 2 options; Buy it now or move on. Complaining about it like a whiny little kid is not the 3rd option. It's his card and he does what he wants with it, case closed.
Edited to add: I hope you feel better soon Tonya.
<< <i>Let's face it, a common is someone you're just not willing to pay much for. >>
But the flip side to that is that more times than not, a common or two will keep you from completing a set!
J
Also, common in my mind is what beckett uses. as in Star, semi, and common.
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<< <i>so, you made an offer that was rejected...... >>
On an auction that I believe was not asking for offers.
That being the case, the price, in my mind, would be based much more on the population of the card, not they player.
Not trying to beat up on you, just offering my analysis.
<< <i>I wouldn't necessarily consider any 49 Bowman a "common". Maybe a common within the context of the series itself, but none of those cards are "common" in the same sense as a 1967 Topps common.
That being the case, the price, in my mind, would be based much more on the population of the card, not they player.
Not trying to beat up on you, just offering my analysis. >>
And I apprecaite you analysis. The other guys claiming they know which auction I'm talking about and have no idea can have thier fun.
So, considering the details of your analysis, I agree entirely. None of them are realyl "common" but they're common within the issue.
Offering VCP price for a high-pop card within an issue (a "common") shouldnt be an unreasonable offer.
If there was no make an offer option in the auction, you shouldn't have made the offer.
If you really need to make an offer on a card with no option, you should try a more apologetic approach.
EDITED TO ADD: Low pop graded commons get premiums for obvious reasons.
<< <i>A "common" is a card that has the least value in the set, usually not listed in the price guide and worth no more than the rest of the "COMMONS".
If there was no make an offer option in the auction, you shouldn't have made the offer.
If you really need to make an offer on a card with no option, you should try a more apologetic approach.
Fot clarification, there WAS a best offer option on the auction. The person who said it wasnt there has no idea what auction I'm talking about.
And, to your point, if it's got the least value in the set (liek this one) and I was offering VCP, was I out of line?
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<< <i>There are 5 current auctions listed when I type "1949 Bowman PSA 6" in the search box. None of them have a buy it now with best offer, and only 1 of them is being offered by a seller that has an eBay ID similar to a poster on these boards. Am I still very far off Alan sweety? >>
Nick, yes you are. The auction I'm referencing is not a current auction. Nor is what you're arguing part of this thread at all. It was not I that make this an argument. You posted something you obviously have no idea about. Can we let that part be and get back to my question?
The question is, for a card that I presumed to be common, and I offered VCP, was I unfair? Or am I looking at the definition of "common" incorrectly?
Thanks.
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And, to your point, if it's got the least value in the set (liek this one) and I was offering VCP, was I out of line? >>
Of course you weren't out of line with the actual offer, but may have offended the seller with the ol "your card is only worth this much" thing.
I haven't been refused on the 8 or 9 offers I've made to date, and I usually don't say anything.
<< <i>Alan when I think "Common" I think of cards from the late 80's and the early 90's that get thrown out on a weekly basis by the majority of people here. A card that you could prolly post a thread about here asking if anyones got one in their closet somewhere and get numerous replies saying you can have it for free "pm me your address" with a chuckle! Other than that, especially graded cards that are "common players" (IE-non HOF or Star player) will never be considered a common card like what I have mentioned. >>
Wow.... a straight answer without name calling or false accusations... was that so hard?
This makes more sense to me now. Thank you for your reply.
<< <i>Alan I will never open that PM you sent me. Move on. >>
No worries man. It was basically just calling you a name.
I got my anser from someone who actually cared about the question at hand and not name calling and false accusations.
Take care my friend.
Alan, are you sure you have the population numbers right? The only cards in the '49 bowman pop report I see with more than 90 7s are Campanella, Jackie Robinson and Stan Musial. Not exactly commons.