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  • AkbarClone
    AkbarClone Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭
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    It'd be better to open a bag of bud..and smoke the peace pipe....
    I collect Vintage Cards, Commemorative Sets, and way too many vintage and modern player collections in Baseball (180 players), Football (175 players), and Basketball (87 players). Also have a Dallas Cowboy team collection.
  • SportsItUpCards
    SportsItUpCards Posts: 2,547
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    << <i>It'd be better to open a bag of bud..and smoke the peace pipe.... >>



    Darn, I don't smoke either image

    Giovanni
  • OnlyThe10s
    OnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
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    Just waiting on Steve's "approval" to end this.

    Personally, I think that Buccaneer owes me an apology for calling my inteeligence into this conversation, but that wont happen either.

    Steve's probably on the phone with someone trying to get me banned like the others. I'm not worried about it, I've violated no PSA policies.

    Steve... we done?
  • onefasttalon
    onefasttalon Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭
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    Wow... sorry all, I was just trying to bring to light some odd bidding I had observed. Since I noticed several familiar bidders
    on many of the other items, I thought it would be a good idea to warn folks. Thread went *poof* indeed... so I'll take what
    can to taken from it.

    -1 for trying to watch other's backs I guess. Not a big deal... I won't do it again I guess... at least, not here.

    ALWAYS Looking for Chris Sabo cards!

  • CDsNuts
    CDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
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    This whole thing is nam's fault. Way to go Nick.
  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    One fast it had nothing to do with what you said. It had more to do with what someone else had said about
    someone else within your thread that I was warning people about.


    For that I was ridiculed and the next time I won't give out advice.

    Steve

    Good for you.
  • OnlyThe10s
    OnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
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    So....

    Steve....

    Are we done?

  • clydecoolidge
    clydecoolidge Posts: 863 ✭
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    "Jerry, Jerry, Jerry..."

    "I've never been able to properly explain myself in this climate" -Raul Duke

    ebay i.d. clydecoolidge - Lots of vintage stars and HOFers, raw, condition fully disclosed.
  • TNP777
    TNP777 Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭
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    Instead of waiting for Steve to give you the approval to be "done", why don't you just stand up from your computer, walk away and take a break? I'm thinking it will be done once one of you stops posting in the thread. As most of these types of threads do, it started out innocently, a comment was taken out of context, and the next thing we know two members are duking it out, some are pouring kerosene on the fire and the rest of us are eating popcorn. Give it a rest already.


    Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
  • OnlyThe10s
    OnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
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    Yay! Something new that's my fault!

    I will not walk away until Steve says it's over. Otherwise he'll just keep on and keep on till he's satisfied. That's the way his posts are.

    So, I'll wal away as soon as Mr. Pitcher says it's done.

  • larryallen73
    larryallen73 Posts: 6,073 ✭✭✭
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    Yay! Something new that's my fault!

    I will not walk away until Steve says it's over. Otherwise he'll just keep on and keep on till he's satisfied. That's the way his posts are.

    So, I'll wal away as soon as Mr. Pitcher says it's done.



    I was taking your side Tekno but I may have to switch allegiences if you post Teknobaby dribble like this. MOVE ON to the next thread. Seriously, it's played out on this one.
  • POKERBOT
    POKERBOT Posts: 122
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    As the world turns

    Young & the restless

    CU Message boards

    Seem to be one in the same anymore, how about stopping all of the kids stuff and get back to discussing something worth while. JMO
  • OnlyThe10s
    OnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
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    I dont need anyone to take my side. And I never asked for your help.

    All he's gotta do is say it's done and it's done.

    This has nothing to do with Teknobailey. This time around I admitted my mistake and apologized and I want confirmation from Steve that it's over, that's all. Then we can all go out and waste our money on more cardboard.



  • nam812
    nam812 Posts: 10,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>Personally, I think that Buccaneer owes me an apology for calling my inteeligence into this conversation......... >>



    Technically he only said Steve was more intelligent than you. In theory, you could be a genious in his eyes, but then Steve is a super genious.
  • julen23
    julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
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    akbar,

    8:00 my crib, let's match & review this entire thread in detail.

    j
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    RIP GURU
  • julen23
    julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
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    trying to care about this thread,

    not working

    j
    image
    RIP GURU
  • julen23
    julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
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    fidel castro > this thread

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    RIP GURU
  • bifff257
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  • Alfonz24
    Alfonz24 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In a perpetual closed-loop feud, the Duelists generally don't menace anyone but each other, unless, of course, another Warrior foolishly attempts to mediate. Like the Hatfields and McCoys, they probably don't even remember the source of their mutual animus, nonetheless they enthusiastically loathe one another and seize every opportunity to exchange vitriol. When the other Warriors eventually weary of their endless kvetching the Duelists will be shouted down or Nanny will ban them. Even after getting the heave-ho from one forum, however, it is not unusual for them to find each other in another discussion group and the fighting will begin anew. Hate is sometimes as mysterious as love...

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  • JasP24
    JasP24 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭
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    For Tireless Rebutter there is no such thing as a trivial dispute. He regards all challenges as barbarians at the gates. His unflagging tenacity in making his points numbs and eventually wears down the opposition. Confident that his arguments are sound, Tireless Rebutter can't understand why he is universally loathed.

    I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit,
    according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
  • JasP24
    JasP24 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭
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    Alfonz24, looks like we had the same idea...

    You forgot the pic that goes with your description..lol

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    I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit,
    according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
  • storm888
    storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
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    As I tried to gently impart in my single response to
    the poofed thread:

    There was NOTHING wrong with the cited auctions.

    When you think that there is that kind of problem in
    an auction, it is best to look DEEP into the history
    of the bidder. I did that. I found ZERO problem;
    just a guy that buys too many cards from too many
    sellers, for too much money.

    It is proper to do good detective work, before trying to
    make a case in the real world. Here, that work needs to
    be done before posting allegations --- even if they are
    in the form of questions.

    Further, and importantly, there was no need to drag
    other vendors into the discussion.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • AkbarClone
    AkbarClone Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭
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    julen23--I lost my directions on how to get to "other" United States.

    Please send me directions.

    Akbar
    I collect Vintage Cards, Commemorative Sets, and way too many vintage and modern player collections in Baseball (180 players), Football (175 players), and Basketball (87 players). Also have a Dallas Cowboy team collection.
  • Leiascards
    Leiascards Posts: 3,233
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    If you want it to be over just STOP posting about it. Thats like asking for permission to go to the restroom, in school when you were a kid yes, but as an adult come on...
  • sayheykid54
    sayheykid54 Posts: 779 ✭✭
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    With the upcoming changes regarding Ebay's feedback system sellers like those will be left numerous negative feedbacks with no recourse. I love the new change.
  • 70chip
    70chip Posts: 797
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    << <i>"Jerry, Jerry, Jerry..." >>



    Great post, LMAO!!!!! so appropriate for this trainwreck of a thread. Lets get Steve and Alan on stage.......

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    Ripken, Brooks & Frank Robinson, Old Orioles, Sweet Spot Autos, older Redskins - Riggins, Sonny, Baugh etc and anything that catches my eye. image

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  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    Please leave me out of it.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • stown
    stown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>As I tried to gently impart in my single response to
    the poofed thread:

    There was NOTHING wrong with the cited auctions.

    When you think that there is that kind of problem in
    an auction, it is best to look DEEP into the history
    of the bidder. I did that. I found ZERO problem;
    just a guy that buys too many cards from too many
    sellers, for too much money.

    It is proper to do good detective work, before trying to
    make a case in the real world. Here, that work needs to
    be done before posting allegations --- even if they are
    in the form of questions.

    Further, and importantly, there was no need to drag
    other vendors into the discussion. >>



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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • storm888
    storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>With the upcoming changes regarding Ebay's feedback system sellers like those will be left numerous negative feedbacks with no recourse. I love the new change. >>




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    Yup.

    Now, buyers will be able to wrongfully defame sellers with impunity.

    And, EBAY will not poof the damaging comments.

    fantastic

    EBAY Buyers: NEG Victoriously! image
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • Stone193
    Stone193 Posts: 24,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I posted this YouTuge video about forums and I rolled a donut.

    I think it's worth watching - it's short, slightly humorous, and a lesson for all of us.

    mike
    Mike
  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    Storm


    That is only if they win and feel they have been shilled no?

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • Leiascards
    Leiascards Posts: 3,233
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    Anyone who says the LOVE the new changes needs to be added to BBLs now..
  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    Further, and importantly, there was no need to drag
    other vendors into the discussion. >>



    My whole point that was lost in all the BS that followed.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • storm888
    storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
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    That is only if they win and feel they have been shilled no?

    Steve


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    They do not have to file a complaint to leave the NEG.
    They can simply write:

    "I think the guy blahblahblah."

    The seller can gripe to EBAY all he/she wants to; the
    NEG will remain.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • Leiascards
    Leiascards Posts: 3,233
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    But If the buyer paid fast he still deserves a positive... Yeah right..
  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    Storm

    My question was they still have to win the auction in order to leave
    the feedback? ( that goes w/o saying)

    In many cases when shilled people stop bidding.

    So in essence they will leave negatives when they feel they have been shilled (and win the auction) or at worse
    if they are honestly run up by other bidders.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • OnlyThe10s
    OnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
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    Wouldnt you know before you win (in most circumstances) if you've been shilled BEFORE the auction ends?

  • storm888
    storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
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    "So in essence they will leave negatives when they feel they have been shilled (and win the auction) or at worse
    if they are honestly run up by other bidders."

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    Yup.

    Buyers will leave NEGs for any reason AND no reason.

    "Feeling" you have been shilled IS miles apart from
    having actually "been" shilled.

    MANY buyers become convinced they were shilled, simply
    because they followed EBAY's self-serving instructions:
    "Enter Your Maximum Bid." Those buyers are destined
    to get run-up, and they will leave NEGs stating they were
    "shilled."
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • Leiascards
    Leiascards Posts: 3,233
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    I got a feeling UPIs are going to go through the roof as well when the new system hits.

    That might be what it takes to get Ebay to wake up though start hitting them in the pocketbook
  • thedutymon
    thedutymon Posts: 4,323 ✭
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    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • carew4me
    carew4me Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭✭
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    Use the shill word with care.

    As stated before, some of use remeber sellers that actually lawyered up and went after people who posted
    unfounded or unprovable accusations that effected their business.

    And they wont care that you are a pimple faced 20 year old posting from your dads computer (although dad might).

    Looks like someone else may be getting a letter that requires their signature.

    Loves me some shiny!

    “Often wrong, but never in doubt.”
  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    Hmmm Interesting, you mean I knew what I was talking about?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • julen23
    julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
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    pm sent akbar, dont forget to bring the C-H-R-O-N.

    cat fighting....

    daddy likey!

    j
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    RIP GURU
  • MeteoriteGuy
    MeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
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    I feel I was shilled last night and will not be bidding on the sellers auctions again, or will be bidding less, or just snipe.

    Bottom line, it gave me a bad taste, and the seller, who I have purchased several dozen cards from, lost future money from me because of it. If you are a big selller, I would suggest blocking the bidder or you will likely lose sales from me as well.

    Mark
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • Leiascards
    Leiascards Posts: 3,233
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    If you are a big selller, I would suggest blocking the bidder or you will likely lose sales from me as well.

    What does this have to do with a shill bid? If they are bidding on other sellers items then chances are they are not a shill bidder.
  • MeteoriteGuy
    MeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
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    Fair enough Leia. Shill was perhaps not the correct word. How about this instead, I feel I was ripped off a few dollars last night and if you are a seller and allow someone to bid on your auctions and do such, when they are NOT trying or wanting to win an item, then I will not be bidding on your auctions.....or as noted, will adjust my bidding habits.

    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    The problem here is the original thread yesterday mentioned one specific seller.

    Then someone else derailed the thread by adding a host of other sellers.

    It is those 'other' sellers where all the BS came from.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • Leiascards
    Leiascards Posts: 3,233
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    How is a seller to know that any bid that is placed is placed with the intent of never paying? The only way to bid is to snipe any other way you are asking for trouble.
  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    How is a seller to know that any bid that is placed is placed with the intent of never paying?


    Ummm maybe because they (or a friend) are the ones placing the bid?


    Isn't that what a shill is?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    100 yippeeee

    Just goes to show ya that no good deed goes unpunished.


    Steve
    Good for you.

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