1909-S on end of roll.........$1100 and counting

ArizonaJack

LINK

WOW

sinin1

what a scam

Type2

Would you sell that roll if you had it NO!!!! what a scum.

ArizonaJack

some folks were wondering , this IS the type of auction I have spoofed in the past. Amazing the scum that floats to the top.

Type2

Is this that same guy that put's keys on the ends so he get big $$$$$ and told you.

tresgatos

So he's got a scratched 1909 s on one end and a skanky 1909 vdb on the other and 48 vg-8's 1909 in between.
This is such a lucrative scam that I'm tempted to try it just before I quit my Ebay account.
Spend a hundred, get a thousand.
Mo money mo money mo money.

BECOKA

How hard is it to tamper with those old rolls? Is there a remote chance this auction is legit?

He does not have any other what if auctions. I looked at his history and it does not have any other what if auctions.

ArizonaJack

<< <i>How hard is it to tamper with those old rolls? Is there a remote chance this auction is legit?

He does not have any other what if auctions. I looked at his history and it does not have any other what if auctions. >>



he sold an 08-S indian for $800 same way:

08-S

These scams are getting out of hand, lol. I'm just going to sit back and watch the freakin stoopid get what they have coming

Type2

Looks like he opened one end you can see one side is nice and tight and the reverse was opend.

tresgatos

• and I can’t confirm that is what these are. 
• I CAN NOT GURANTEE THAT!
• These have never been opened by me! 
• Once opened this item is not returnable!

What else do you need to know?

cullenbryant

there's always the remote chance that it's legit, but doubtful.
if you look in his feedback, he does handle coins frequently, knows how to describe what he has..
specifically he handles unsearched wheat cents.

in that sense he's just like us, a coin collector in some capacity.. so one must ask themselves,
what would you do in a situation with a roll that said "all 1909's" on the side, with 09's on each end.

without hesitation i'm sure we'd all bust them out.

also, private feedback and the big red headline "I've decided to accept cashiers checks and money orders
for this auction"...

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ArizonaJack

The 08-S Indian roll was a tube roll...notice the square crimp on the one end. That comes from this:

$1000 roll making kit

tresgatos

good observation Type 2. It looks like it's been unrolled
and then rolled up again. Put your teaser coin on one end,
fill it up with junk and another teaser coin opposite
of how the other teaser coin was oriented.

cullenbryant

and the higher the bid gets, the more vdb's there'll be inside. move along, nothing left to see

sinin1

those shotgun type rolls didn't appear until after the 40's if I remember correctly

but the equipment is available to make them today


it would be cool to find the guys buying (friend that he is selling for - ya right)
eBay account and see him purchase the 1909-S, and 1909 vdb

and a couple weeks later they show up in another roll auction

unspendable

I would rather spend $1200.00 on a sure thing... mike

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seemyauction

Good grief.........how hard would it be to stage the cents in a new wrapper and make it look old........

get one of those rock tumblers, toss in some dirt, spin and poof..........old looking wrapper.


I'd stay clear of this type of listing..........If you want to gamble go to vegas at least they have good food.

csw

He chose his words carefully. He said HE had never opened the roll. He didn't say that the roll had never been opened, or, more to the point, that to the best of his knowledge it had never been opened.

mr1931S

He said HE had never opened the roll. He didn't say that the roll had never been opened,

The language is typically very carefully used in these sucker auctions. Carefully used language can be a warning flag to stay away from an auction. Some time ago I bought an "old" roll that I barely recovered what I spent for it. Not that big a deal since the money involved was only a small fraction of the $1200 this sucker is putting out. Still, I felt like kind of a chump.You see, as the story goes,dead grandpa's old rolls had been kept in a safe deposit box and the daughter didn't know what was in them and so she sold them and the guy that bought them didn't open them and now was selling them and who knows what treasures could be hiding inside....sigh...

I would bet grandpa's teeth that this roll contains no svdb, maybe two or three more low grade '09 S and some higher grade '09 and vdb's. Could be ten extra fine 09's and vdb's,I suppose.Retail is going to run perhaps $600 for this roll and no more.

It's all about the money in these sucker auctions and its serious business. The question I have for these sellers is how can you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning? Just open the damn roll up and see for yourself what's inside and make grandpa proud of you instead of being a sorry ass scammer on ebay.

jmski52

Good grief.........how hard would it be to stage the cents in a new wrapper and make it look old........

get one of those rock tumblers, toss in some dirt, spin and poof..........old looking wrapper.

Firstly, that's a modern wrapper. No doubt about it. It's been wrapped within the past 5 years.

He chose his words carefully. He said HE had never opened the roll. He didn't say that the roll had never been opened, or, more to the point, that to the best of his knowledge it had never been opened.

He doesn't say that he didn't wrap it himself, only that HE never OPENED it. Who cares if it's never been opened? It's bogus either way.

UtahCoin

I have looked at some of his previous auctions and it looks like he "ages" the wrappers.
Don't you just want to reach out and slap both the seller and the bidders!
Short of that, I'd settle to get some of his bidders to bid stupid money on my stuff.

Wolf359

<< <i>Couldn't it be legit if never opened, understandably the outside ones can be scratched but the interior must be in mint is that correct? >>



No, it's a circ roll. There are legit opportunities on eBay from time-to-time to make an absolute killing, but this isn't one of them.

Tyler1924S

"This roll could be worth a fortune!!!" Good, then maybe you should take 2 minutes to check it out before selling it for a month's mortgage.

nutz4coinz

" I have decided to sell this roll unopened because I can not resist a great auction."


The guy can't resist a great auction! Neither can I!! Can any of you???

Boom

A 99 year old paper wrapper would (at best) be disintegrating away next to nothingness and in all probability would have long since already done so.

57loaded

<< <i>Would you sell that roll if you had it NO!!!! what a scum. >>



precisely

Prethen

I find it hard to believe that people are that gullible. It's even harder to believe that someone will part with over $1000 and not already have some experience in their numismatic belt to avoid crap such as this. Sad.

Boom

<< I find it hard to believe that people are that gullible. It's even harder to believe that someone will part with over $1000 and not already have some experience in their numismatic belt to avoid crap such as this. Sad. >>


G U L L I B L E N O O B I E S.

mnmcoin

<< <i>I can’t confirm that is what these are. >>



Uh duh, open the roll and you can magically confirm what is inside.

morris

mnmcoin

Chances are the guy puts coins in the roll tantamount to how high the price goes. So for $1200, the bidder will probably get about $600-$800 worth of coins.

morris

Boom

He's just fishin' for Fools.

fastrudy

Chances are the guy puts coins in the roll tantamount to how high the price goes. So for $1200, the bidder will probably get about $600-$800 worth of coins

You are a very honest, trusting person. You don't seem to possess a knowledge of the criminal mind, however. Where I come from, you would get:
One 1909-S
One 1909-VDB
One 3" length of copper pipe.

This seller will never see and doesn't know the buyer. He will rip him to the max.

ahooka454

WOW! Thats all I can say with this one. WOW!

sumnom

I don't really see why anyone would reasonably expect this to be a roll of 1909-S VDBs. When you get a roll of circulated coins, do you expect them all to be of the same date as the end coin?

ziggy29

<< <i>When you get a roll of circulated coins, do you expect them all to be of the same date as the end coin? >>

Not '09-S or '09-S VDBs, no. I have some circulated rolls which are all of the same date...but they're like 1956-D. If I write "1956-D" on the roll and the end coins are both 1956-D, not many people are going to think it's a scam. (The roll would be worth what, a couple bucks if all are circulated?) But pur "1909" on the rolls, and only the gullible would go along with it.

TwoSides2aCoin

I apologize for all Nebraskans who live "The Good Life"

sumnom

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<< <i>When you get a roll of circulated coins, do you expect them all to be of the same date as the end coin? >>

Not '09-S or '09-S VDBs, no. I have some circulated rolls which are all of the same date...but they're like 1956-D. If I write "1956-D" on the roll and the end coins are both 1956-D, not many people are going to think it's a scam. (The roll would be worth what, a couple bucks if all are circulated?) But pur "1909" on the rolls, and only the gullible would go along with it. >>



Ah, true. I forget that people do sort circs and roll them.

commoncents123

hasn't anyone considered that it may be a shill bid? are real people really bidding on that crap?

RBinTex

Alan,

They can be (and most probably certainly are) ALL circulated coins - NOT mint state!

vplite

<< <i>The 08-S Indian roll was a tube roll...notice the square crimp on the one end. That comes from this:

$1000 roll making kit >>



And you've got to love this part of the roll making ad:

"This is a private listing. Your identity will not be disclosed to anyone except the seller."

ArizonaJack

WOW, I just checked....topped $1200, amazing. When you guys see me spoofing these auctions, this is EXACTLY what I mean.

rainbowroosie

Hey, I'm giving away a free roll similar to this with each purchase of land in the Everglades...all sales final. Sorry, you can't see the parcel before you buy it.

For these auctions, I'm only taking cash.

Regret I won't be around to answer questions after the sale; I have to visit my ailing Father in the Caymen Islands; he was stricken with heart disease, yellow fever, the measles, and ebola during the past week.