eBay luck finally ran out... (Updated - SUCCESS!)

ssollars

After many years and hundreds of cards I think I've had my first shady deal.

Here's the description of the auction:

You are bidding on a great centered Jimmy Brown Rookie card. There are no crease marks or folds on the entire card. Corners are high end and not torn and are perfect. The edges are in perfect condition and has been in a hard case for a very long time not touched. In great condition.Card has been valued at $450.00. Buyer will be very pleased with the card. Happy Bidding

Here is the pic in the auction:


Here is what I got today!


I've already sent a response via eBay that I want to return it for my money back. I did pay via PayPal but I'm not sure what the best course of action I should take if I don't hear back from the seller. Any advice?

Scott

BobaFett72

oh boy, you got hosed.

SportsItUpCards

That is to funny!

I would just ask for a full refund. Did you pay that price?

Giovanni

Bottom9th

WOW!!! I hope you get some satisfaction! Keep us posted!

ryaneversole

Are you sure those 2 aren't the same card? Haha just kidding.

Leiascards

File a SNAD with Paypal.. Although I wish you luck there.

grote15

File a claim through Paypal. They will automatically freeze his account when you do that, and Paypal will refund your payment including shipping if you can provide DC that it was returned. Do not bother communicating with the seller unless he offers you a return. And if he does, make sure you send it DC. I got back $180 about 3 months ago when a guy I bought a bankwrapped roll of coins from sent me a roll that was different than the one pictured. When I politely asked for a return, he rudely refused, but Paypal gave me the last laugh. Good luck to you!

WinPitcher

Did you pay with a CC?

Sorry that happened to you.


I don't find it funny at all.


Steve

WinPitcher

Also can you link the auction?


Steve

storm888

File a SNAD, immediately.

PP will tell you to return the thing.

Make SURE you use Sig/Con on the return trip w/FULL-INS.

The seller is a SCAMSTER.


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This is NOT a hijacking, BUT I was told on the phone tonight
that before the end of 2008, EBAY will enforce a "No Questions
Asked Return Policy," on sellers in some merch categories.

RubyLane and a few other places already do that on ALL merch.
You must accpet returns for any reason, or no reason at all.

So much for my, "No Returns On TPG Cards."

Leiascards

hmmmmm

Was this an Ebay purchase?? Well duh you said it was. I am just not seeing it on Ebay..

Bottom9th

Based on the title, I would think it is an Ebay purchase.
Do you have a link so we can be aware of this Seller?

WinPitcher

Yes based on the title we would think that but a check of completed auctions did not show that card
or that description.

Steve

storm888

"After many years and hundreds of cards I think I've had my first shady deal."

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What userID did you buy the subject card under?

You can PM winpitcher or another person you trust here,
if you do not want to post your ID publicly.

ripkenintheminors

<< <i>

That is to funny! >>



Are you serious?

ssollars

Here is the link: Auction

Is it best to initiate a SNAD dispute via eBay or Paypal?

storm888

OK.

The seller is a scamster.

If you follow the instructions above, you are covered up to $200.

Do it right away.

Let us know what happens.

If you have more Qs, come back and ask. Somebody will help you.

Leiascards

I agree the seller is a scammer.

File a SNAD ASAP.

storm888

"Is it best to initiate a SNAD dispute via eBay or Paypal? "

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PP wants you to go through EBAY first. You can file, NOW.
It's in your "Dispute Console."

BUT, I would call PP and tell them the seller is a FRAUD.
They can speed the process and lock up the seller's account,
if you convince them the seller is a crook. SHE/HE IS.

ssollars

<< <i>I agree the seller is a scammer.

File a SNAD ASAP. >>



Done... we'll see what happens!

grote15

Also I have to wonder why in the world you'd buy a Jim Brown RC from a seller like this one?

Very risky, beyond risky, IMO.

You're very fortunate to have not been burned before.

I hope you get your money back. Good luck!

stevek

I'd also get a neg to this POS to help warn others.

stevek

"5288laura"

Most likely this scammer isn't a "Laura", but is a guy. Scammers like using women's names because the impression is that a woman is less likely to be a scammer than a guy, which could be true, but in any event that's why scammers sometimes use women's names.

Scammers also use women's names as part of the con because a potential victim is thinking they are getting a deal from, or even taking advantage of a naive women who doesn't know anything about baseball cards.

So don't feel bad that you may be giving a neg to "sweet little Laura", because it's probable this is no Laura.

1neatstuff

man thats sucks .... youd better get your money back from that clown

ssollars

<< <i>Also I have to wonder why in the world you'd buy a Jim Brown RC from a seller like this one?

Very risky, beyond risky, IMO.

You're very fortunate to have not been burned before.

I hope you get your money back. Good luck! >>



I've purchased many great cards from sellers who are not dealers or don't sell many cards. Sometimes it's a gamble with low feedback sellers, but once in a while it's a gamble that I'm willing to take. If I get burned on this one, it well be a lesson learned and I'll be less willing to take risks on higher dollar items in the future.

yankeeno7

<< <i>
This is NOT a hijacking, BUT I was told on the phone tonight
that before the end of 2008, EBAY will enforce a "No Questions
Asked Return Policy," on sellers in some merch categories.

RubyLane and a few other places already do that on ALL merch.
You must accpet returns for any reason, or no reason at all.

So much for my, "No Returns On TPG Cards." >>



Now there is a kick in the balls to sellers again. I understand it is good for the buyers to feel safe that they are getting what they pay for BUT....as far as being a seller, you mail a guy a nice example of lets say a 1966 Topps Pete Rose. The buyer then says, I want to return this and you have to accept it back because I dont like the card and dont feel it was as described. The seller returns the money, you get your card, open the package and it's a different card and of course in much lesser condition. I can just see the dialogue and disputes on that scenerio.

ssollars

Sellers responses:

eBay: "the card is fine what are talking about? the corners and edges are in high end. the card has no creases what so ever on the entire card."

Paypal: "the item is in great condition. i went to the card store my self and was priced at 450."

eBay: "we can deal with this outside of paypal. the card is fine. my card guy actually said this i can bring him in also. the corners and edges are in great condition. theres are no creases or folds on the entire card. it is in great shape for being that old. im not refunding the money, it is out of the account anyways. we can settle this outside of paypal. or do something. if you would like to settle it then lets do it. im not doing it throught paypal. there already holding money from buyers so i can't ship items. so u can take the dipute off we can settle it figure sometihng out or we can dispute it and take longer which option do u choose."



It's getting interesting...

storm888

The guy is guilty of FRAUD.

You cannot show a picture of one card,
and deliver another. UNLESS you say in the
listing that you are going to do that.

Make sure you have a stored copy of the
picture in the listing. He will delete it ASAP
if it is on an outside server --- like photobucket.

If PP gives you any carp, call your credit card
company.

I suspect PP will quickly decide in your favor when they
see the listing picture vs. the card you received.

storm888

Also, I would consider NEGing the guy right away.

That will give you some leverage, if he wants to
save his account. He will be out of business with
a <80% rating. Once he's NEGd, you can throw in
a mutual withdrawal as part of the settlement.

If you decide to NEG him fast, run the lingo by here
before you post it. It needs to be militant, but
professional.

Also, do not communicate with him OUTSIDE of the
Dispute Console.

steadyeddie33

1) Nowhere does it state that the card pictured is the one you will receive.

2) Seller feedback is 91.7% (Says a lot!!!)

We all learn the hard way at some point.

Buy GRADED from the 3 main reputable third-party
grading companies(would mention them, but I'll
probably get kicked off these boards).

BUYER BEWARE!!!

Leiascards

Do Not Cancel the Paypal Dispute. They are lying when they say the money is not there. Paypal has probaly already froze the money canceling the dispute will just free it up and will make it so you cannot try another dispute.

WinPitcher

) Nowhere does it state that the card pictured is the one you will receive.


You are kidding right? It is assumed you get what is pictured UNLESS it states you do not.

Steve

stevek

<< <i>Sellers responses:

eBay: "the card is fine what are talking about? the corners and edges are in high end. the card has no creases what so ever on the entire card."

Paypal: "the item is in great condition. i went to the card store my self and was priced at 450."

eBay: "we can deal with this outside of paypal. the card is fine. my card guy actually said this i can bring him in also. the corners and edges are in great condition. theres are no creases or folds on the entire card. it is in great shape for being that old. im not refunding the money, it is out of the account anyways. we can settle this outside of paypal. or do something. if you would like to settle it then lets do it. im not doing it throught paypal. there already holding money from buyers so i can't ship items. so u can take the dipute off we can settle it figure sometihng out or we can dispute it and take longer which option do u choose."



It's getting interesting... >>




This guy basically gives ebay the "middle finger" and ebay doesn't naru this guy?

CDsNuts

Give him one last chance to give you a full refund and then take it further with paypal. You'll get your money back.

Lee

swartz1

<< <i>1) Nowhere does it state that the card pictured is the one you will receive.

2) Seller feedback is 91.7% (Says a lot!!!)

We all learn the hard way at some point.

Buy GRADED from the 3 main reputable third-party
grading companies(would mention them, but I'll
probably get kicked off these boards).

BUYER BEWARE!!! >>



Dont even ask - he is kidding - in that case why would you even show a picture -

91.7 - is one bad transactions for such a low feedback number

He is not learning anything the hard way - he is getting the money back ...

WinPitcher

Notice how the scamming seller makes no mention of the great centering in any of his replies? He can't.

Steve

clydecoolidge

Wow man, that is one really shady seller. Whatever you do, don't give into his "let's settle this outside of ebay" crap. File the complaints that were suggested by fellow board members and keep good records of every step. People like this deserve whatever comes to them.

ssollars

How long does Paypal usually take to review a claim before making a decision?

The seller and I have traded negative feedback (me first) but as of now nothing else new to report.

WinPitcher

You should have waited until you had your money before you negged him.

Steve

jimq112

Added to my blocked bidder list

ssollars

Finally, dispute was ruled in my favor but have little hope of actually getting my refund.

Paypal "Buyer Protection", yea right... what a joke! I guess I now have a Paypal horror story to tell like many others.

WinPitcher

I thought Paypal would kick in? 200.00 at least?

Steve

Stingray

<< <i>Also I have to wonder why in the world you'd buy a Jim Brown RC from a seller like this one?

Very risky, beyond risky, IMO.

You're very fortunate to have not been burned before.

I hope you get your money back. Good luck! >>




Agreed, a feedback of 10 and a 72.4% rating??

ssollars

<< <i>I thought Paypal would kick in? 200.00 at least?

Steve >>



Me too, but so far (9 days and counting...) nothing has been credited to my account.

ssollars

<< <i>
Agreed, a feedback of 10 and a 72.4% rating?? >>



That wasn't the case at the time of the auction. They did have 1 negative however when I placed my bid.

clydecoolidge

The scam seller lives about 30 minutes from me. You want I should deliver a beat down?

I hope everything works out for you (based on this fools feedback, it seems like it should, who would side with this guy?).

AlmostPerfect

Man, what a scuzzball.

Ahmanfan

SSolars, That Brown would be fine in my set, if you're ever selling it send me a PM.
John

StanTheManMusial

This is just another example as to why I will not deal with people under at least 50 feedbacks as a seller. I know that may be biased, but it makes me feel better.

Sorry you got burned by this scum bag, but please learn to be more cautious from now on. Ebay seems to be full of these clowns now days. Even worse than the past, in my opinion.

storm888

"This is just another example as to why I will not deal with people under at least 50 feedbacks
as a seller. I know that may be biased, but it makes me feel better."

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That is not a bad rule.

But, there are MANY PSers with HUGE FB that will burn buyers all day long.

StanTheManMusial

You are absolutely correct, storm.

But....... I have had better results, when I stick with the guys who have had some selling experience, as opposed to nearly none. I guess none of it is 100% fool proof, but I just like to better my chances.