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Here's why the buyer only negative feedback will suck for sellers

Just got this email today. In a month, I'll get a negative for this and will have to leave some ridiculous negative-neutral for this a$$clown.

The specifics:
Auction: 1991 ACTION PACKED #21 BRETT FAVRE RC PSA 9
BIN: $13.99
Winner: 417gwf (4) - You may just want to block them and move on
Purchased 1/27, delivered Feb 5.
Question from buyer:
Just wondering why you picture two cards in your add when you are only selling one....did not catch that.....good job, but I will not purchase any more from you. Those of us who are unskilled ebay purchasers would not catch that at first. Fool us once shame on us......you know the rest.



My reply:

I'm not sure where the confusion is. Every single auction I have shows 2-4 cards. Listing 500+ cards in my store would take me a month if I scanned every single card individually. I, like most sellers, will scan similar cards together to show the other cards we have available as well. If I have a bunch of 84 Topps football recently graded, I'll scan a PSA 8 with another PSA 8 from the same set, team or player. It certainly is not done with any intent to "screw" someone. I would also like to point out that in my auction text it clearly states the following "YOU ARE ONLY BIDDING ON THE ITEM IN THE TITLE. ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS PICTURED ARE OR WILL BECOME AVAILABLE IN OTHER AUCTIONS SO PLEASE LOOK FOR THEM!"

I also state "FOR GRADED CARDS: You will of course receive the card, grade and holder advertised in the title. If there are two PSA 9 graded cards pictured, you will receive one of them. I can't guarantee which cert # you will receive however. You are welcome to ask for a particular cert# if there are duplicates and one fits your preferences or collecting goals better than another. ie. centering, color etc..., I will do my best to accomodate you."

If you had any question, you should have asked and I would have responded promptly. Finally, the two cards that were pictured in that auction usually sell for $12-15 each. My Buy it Now was for $14. I do miss some things once in a while and have a card listed too expensive or too cheaply (My 91 PSA 10 Favre rc at $210 was sold very quickly when it jumped up to $275 for example) but the price was fair for the single card you purchased (listed in the title) Also the 2nd card pictured was not the same card so I'm surprised there was confusion.

At any rate, if you would like to return the card I'd be happy to refund your money and you can bid on someone elses items in the future. I apologize that you feel mislead.

-Josh
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Yes, I could have hurled insults and the like, but what's the point. Sure, reading is a learned skill and "buyer beware" doesn't apply to self-described "Unskilled ebay purchasers" but really, what should I have expected...

So in conclusion, come May 14 or whatever d-day is, I'll get a neg from this dip$hit even though he paid, I shipped and item arrived quickly and in good shape, exactly as described; only to be left with a neutral or positive in response that says "eBay - not just for smart people anymore"

And for anyone interested in my unethical and severely misleading selling practices, here is a link to my auctions so you too can never purchase from my deceptive a$$ again.

1991 Favre
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Comments

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You're a friggin scammer man.
  • your response was thoughtful and concise. if they buyer cant wrap their pea shaped brain around it. F-em!
  • Geez Josh, I bought a John Lynch SP rookie from you a few weeks ago. You had an Elam SP rookie in the picture with the Lynch...The only way I got that card from you was buying it as well. I didn't know you gave two-fers!
    Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?

    Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12



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    Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)


  • << <i>your response was thoughtful and concise. if they buyer cant wrap their pea shaped brain around it. F-em! >>



    Yeah but in May, the buyer will be able to neg him.
  • 1neatstuff1neatstuff Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭
    ebay is now a joke and this so called new system is just going to cause more and more problems...good job ebay...image
  • Just got this email today. In a month, I'll get a negative for this and will have to leave some ridiculous negative-neutral for this a$$clown.

    The new feedback system does not start until May and it only applies to transactions after it starts.
  • I actually like the system as I think it will ultimately create more competition from a service/shipping standpoint. I have had to deal with too many sellers recently who have received instant payment, but dragged their feet to get an item out of the door at inflated shipping and handling costs.

    Right now the feedback system is slanted too much towards the sellers who can take the impact of a negative. The normal buyer is fearful of a retaliatory negative from a poor seller, so they give (and receive) no feed or less than honest feedback.

    J
  • envoy98envoy98 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭


    << <i>Just got this email today. In a month, I'll get a negative for this and will have to leave some ridiculous negative-neutral for this a$$clown.

    The new feedback system does not start until May and it only applies to transactions after it starts. >>



    I didn't necessarily mean that this buyer would give me a neg, just that buyers like this would leave negatives.

    DrJ - I'm interested in your statement. How exactly is it that sellers can "take the impact of a neg" but buyers cannot? Yes, there are plenty of crappy sellers out there but in order to sell, feedback is of the utmost importance. As a buyer, what impact does your feedback have? Zero. Especially if it's a buying only account. I've used my account as a dual buying/selling account since day one. As a seller, unless someone showed up with <10 feedback or negative feedback rating, I've never even bothered to check their feedback. With my store I've had far fewer non paying buyers, probably one or two in a few hundred transactions. Doing auctions however, I've had quite a few. Sellers who ship in plain white envelopes, ship creased cards described as NM or cracked PSA cases etc, do potentially deserve a neg if they do not remedy the situation. However, as was indicated by this buyer, I am already a scammer and used my deceptive selling practices to dupe him out of his $13. Now, if his negative were to say "pictured two cards only sent one" as a buyer, you'd be turned off by that. Even though the truth of the matter is, he didn't read, was new at ebay and didn't bother to accept my refund offer ask questions before he bid. However if he (and this is highly doubtful) his feedback read "I misread the listing, it showed two cards and I only got one. Misleading" you might give less weight to that. I am unable to leave any feedback other than positive which might read "Paid fast...Nice to see the No Child Left Behind Act is working"

  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    i have almost 40,000 in overall fb, i think changing the whole feedback thing is stupid,ebay keeps it up they are gonna run theirselves in the ground too with thier stuipid deas, why cant i give some jerk a negative??,thats my right a seller-just the same as its the right of a buyer,who cares about retaliatory feeeback, ill get you one way or the other with 10 diff id's,or make you pay so much youll never win anything on ebay again-
    , i coud care less if u give me one or not,or like me, i got enuff feedback /i dont understand their reasoning behind this idea,who did that ask how they would do it?i got nothing about it?the california crackhead brigade under the bridge???seller made ebay, not the buyers,sellers pay their bills, buyers dont-they just make mine go up and paypal and ebay screw ya both ways if your as seller, and now they pullthis, ithink they are making the rube mad and it hasnt even started yet-

    they dont like me on the phone very much -i think they have a caller id especially for me on the gold powersellers,when i get mad and call and keep going up the chain of bosses till i find one with brains or can speak american, i dont speak english-if i did,i d live in england,i dont want to talk to a guy from india or an asai,i want to tak to somebody i can understand what they are saying!!!!!is that too much to ask????
    leave it to 2 companies in california to screw everything up,thats a big part of the u.s. economy where these idiots realize it or not, guess they do- its why they are rich now and putting the screws to usimage

    please support strange and unusual death peanalties-than you
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    I think in the end all sellers will have these guys. I don't expect ANYONE to continue with 99.8% and 100% feedback anymore because of these idiots. But over the course of selling 100 items I think you will see the same number of these guys as all the other good sellers. Thus 97-99% will be a good rating. That makes sense! If I have to wait 4 weeks for a card that only took the post office 2 days to deliver, then I should leave a neutral and not have to worry about hurting my future chances of selling something. If I get a tall boy sticking out of a standard sleeve in a PWE the way LMM did, then I should leave negative for the sake of everyone else. In the old system I wouldn't. Now I will.

    The new system will lead to a wider variety of feedback scores (thank goodness) and yours will be great! There is no need for you to be concerned because of this tool. It will happen to you at the same rate it does everyone else. The guys that ship in bubble mailers the day after payment will all be fine.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    i see nothing deceptive about your auction, days you are getting 1 card if 2 is pictured, stupid people should be beated with bags of rocks-guy had a 4 - thats where all my negs have came from, unenlightened halfwits with zeros or less than 10

    all hail the california crackhead brigade meg left ebay to image
  • Well,

    The whole feedback was screwed up for the very beginning because it allows retaliatory negatives. However, the new system will be even worse because it gives sellers no recourse when a buyers leaves an unwarranted neg (like in this case). There are literally thousands of buyers out there who do not read auction listings carefully and miss important details.

    I don't sell that often on Ebay (maybe 50-100 items a year), but I've had four cases like this in the past nine months where the buyer did not read the listing carefully and then threatened to neg me over something that was made perfectly clear in the listing. Thankfully, PayPal ruled in my favor in all four disputes.

    I would be fine if the new system prohibited buyers from leaving a negative unless they had gone through the PayPal dispute system and received a ruling in their favor. Otherwise, I will be severely cutting back on my Ebay selling and trying to sell more stuff on the boards when I need to raise cash.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    The new scheme WILL be a disaster for honest sellers.

    The hand can currently be seen writing upon the wall.

    PITA the buyers who get legitimate NEGs are NOW complaining
    to EBAY that their seller illegally NEGd them because "sellers
    are not allowed to leave NEG FB." The scummy and ignorant
    buyers recd the announcement of the pending change, and
    think it has already started !!!!!!!!!

    Because cheapskate and stupid buyers cannot figure out how
    to use the DSR stars, sellers who offer FREE S+H are receiving
    WAY less than 5-stars on the S+H DSR. In May, this will result
    in two things:

    1. Sellers with lower DSR FB will be disadvantaged in search
    results.

    2. PowerSellers will NOT qualify for the touted FVF discounts.
    PSers were promised 5% discounts for a 4.6 DSR, and 15%
    discounts for a 4.8 DSR; neither number will be achievable.
    (It is important to note that nearly 75% of buyers surveyed do
    NOT currently think that DSR ratings are "anonymous." Under
    the NEG with impunity scheme, these ignorant buyers will be
    handing out 1s and 2s like candy.)

    MOST sellers, getting no recognition for fair/free S+H, will
    RAISE their S+H fees. "AuctionBytes" did the math. A PSer
    receiving a $200 FVF rebate, can make $1200+ by raising
    S+H a tiny bit, INSTEAD of trying for the FVF rebate.

    There is a VERY REAL chance that the FB changes will not be
    implemented. EBAY has been reading the posts at Buyer Central,
    Seller Central, and the Feedback Board. They know that the new
    scheme would destroy sellers, and cost EBAY money. (MANY
    PSers ae convinced that EBAY only proposed the goofey FB changes
    in order to distract sellers from considering how damaging the
    HUGE fee increases are goiing to be.)

    Since EBAY is the ONLY game in town, it will ALWAYS be a relative
    money maker for sellers, BUT it will not be as profitable come May,
    as it is today. Sellers WILL raise prices to maintain margins.


    EBAY Buyers..........NEG Victoriously ! image
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...{IF} I am unable to leave any feedback other than positive which might read "Paid fast...Nice to see the No Child Left Behind Act is working"..."

    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Under the new scheme, ANY soft positive or left-handed NEG
    will be removed.

    Within a week of the announcement, THOUSANDS of sellers
    had decided to use the word "NEGATIVE" or a prefix/suffix
    letter "N" inside of the FB. EBAY immediately made it clear
    that they were onto the plan and that it would not be
    permitted. ANY soft-positive or subtle NEG will be removed
    by EBAY.

    Not permitted:

    "There is nothing negative to say about this buyer."

    "Paid Promptly.......N"




    EBAY Buyers..........NEG Victoriously ! image
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • colebearcolebear Posts: 886 ✭✭





    << <i> "eBay - not just for smart people anymore" >>



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    Your reply was professional Josh, good job
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "Your reply was professional Josh, good job."

    /////////////////////////////

    Yup.

    BUT, that kind of time expenditure cannot be justified.

    Buyers should be forced to complete a DETAILED
    tutorial BEFORE they are allowed to register. (AND,
    sellers should ALL be ID-verified before they can sell.)

    As we all know, THOUSANDS of sellers use multiple-item
    scans in their listings. They use the same lingo Josh uses
    to explain the process. Buyers should be made to understand
    how this and ALL of EBAY's protocols work BEFORE the can
    bid/buy. (IF EBAY did the whole thing right, their "just a venue"
    defense would evaporate; THAT is why EBAY will NEVER be fixed.)


    EBAY Buyers..........NEG Victoriously ! image
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    I didn't necessarily mean that this buyer would give me a neg, just that buyers like this would leave negatives.

    Yeah, but everybody will be getting them so they won't have the same shock value or meaning. Most sellers will probably end up ignoring idiotic complaints like that one because they'll no longer be trying to maintain near perfect ratings.

    IMO, all of ebay's new policies will not only cost them some sellers (especially in other categories), but more importantly will also limit the growth of new sellers. Newbies will see all the negativity, the barriers with paypal for accounts with less than 100 fb, and the expense...and just say screw it. They'll find other ways to make extra cash with less headache. But the collectibles categories will be the slowest to change since selling is a part of collecting for most people.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "MO, all of ebay's new policies will not only cost them some sellers (especially in other categories),
    but more importantly will also limit the growth of new sellers."

    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Yes. It is important to understand that card sellers will be among
    the LEAST impacted by the changes.

    EBAY currently makes relatively little money on low-priced collectible
    categories. The ONLY reason they tolerate the collectible sellers is
    because collectible buyers ALSO buy from categories on which EBAY
    makes its greatest profits.

    New sellers will have excessive hoops to leap through. MANY will
    never make it. Tiny sellers cannot afford to have their money held
    by PayPal for 21-days; which they will have to do until they reach
    100 FB. (That will be good for current sellers in the short-term, but
    will KILL EBAY longterm. Shopping venues have to grow, or they die.)

    It may be fun and popular to pump-up buyers and tell them how
    important they are. BUT, the facts show us that buyers go where
    sellers are. If you doubt that, go to a half-occupied mall and see
    if you can find any shoppers/buyers.



    EBAY Buyers..........NEG Victoriously! image
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • I think we'll start to see specialty ebay-type sites for collectibles start popping up in the next few years. Someone mentioned PSA doing a card auction site. Good idea in my opinion.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "I think we'll start to see specialty ebay-type sites for collectibles start popping up in the next few years. "

    ///////////////////////////////////////////

    There are some out there now. MOST are ghost-towns.

    Collectible sellers NEED the traffic that comes with a
    LARGE venue. People come to EBAY to buy a shirt or
    some shoes, and they end up buying some collectibles.

    The most prosperous collectible retailers in America are
    ALL located in major malls.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    There needs to a be disclaimer before anyone registers with ebay.
    1) Reading is required!
    2) Comprehension is a must!
    And a short quiz before you can sign up .

    I used to scan 4 cards at a time and have stated the same as you, that they're only bidding on the card in the title. Others are available in separate auctions. I now do individual scans because of dorks who don't read the entire description.


  • << <i>Well,

    The whole feedback was screwed up for the very beginning because it allows retaliatory negatives. However, the new system will be even worse because it gives sellers no recourse when a buyers leaves an unwarranted neg (like in this case). There are literally thousands of buyers out there who do not read auction listings carefully and miss important details.

    I don't sell that often on Ebay (maybe 50-100 items a year), but I've had four cases like this in the past nine months where the buyer did not read the listing carefully and then threatened to neg me over something that was made perfectly clear in the listing. Thankfully, PayPal ruled in my favor in all four disputes.

    I would be fine if the new system prohibited buyers from leaving a negative unless they had gone through the PayPal dispute system and received a ruling in their favor. Otherwise, I will be severely cutting back on my Ebay selling and trying to sell more stuff on the boards when I need to raise cash. >>



    We are talking simply feedback here. If a buyer pays for his item within the specified time frame he should never receive a negative feedback. His part in the transaction was completed to 100% efficiency. Right now he could recieve a retaliatory negative if he decides to go after a seller who dargas his feet on shipping, etc.

    If a buyer fails to pay, the seller can file a NPB and have a negative removed under the new system. NPB will quickly lead to account suspensions which is worse than negative feedback IMHO.

    This new policy is great incentive for sellers to get items out quickly and not over charge for handling and the like. There are many great sellers, but there are also many slugs who want instant payment and then take forever to ship at outrageous prices (or fail to ship at all). There may be some growing pains for sellers but ultimately the new system will act as a filter for the bad sellers, and make Ebay a better marketplace.

    J
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "And a short quiz before you can sign up ."

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////

    NOT toooooooo SHORT.

    There is ALOT to know, and folks should PROVE they
    know it before they start ruining other folks' livelihoods.


    Also, ALL sellers should have to be ID-verified. It takes
    15-minutes, and eliminates all fraud, with the exception
    of identity theft. (All of my accounts are ID-verified. An
    ID thief would have to know alot about me to have
    passed through the process. They ask tough questions
    pulled from your credit report; if you get the answers
    wrong, you are not issued the ID seal.) BUT, EBAY
    would lose MILLIONS of dollars from their partners
    in CRIME.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "NPB will quickly lead to account suspensions .."

    ///////////////////////////////////////////

    NOT a chance.

    I personally know buyers with dozens of NPBs.
    They are almost NEVER NARUd.

    At the press conference held the day of the "changes
    announcement," the goofey EBAY lady said, "Well, if
    a buyer maliciously bids on twenty items and did not
    pay, he would probably be suspended." Probably?

    EBAY needs every buyer they can get. They are NOT
    about to run them off over a little thing like non-payment.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    If a buyer fails to pay, the seller can file a NPB and have a negative removed under the new system.

    Only if the buyer doesn't respond to the NPB claim. If they say they mailed a check or a money order, they can still leave a neg.

  • Dr. J,

    But there are also thousands of buyers out there who do not read listings carefully and leave unwarranted negatives.

    Under EBay's new feedback system, sellers will have no protection against this even if they do everything perfectly.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "But there are also thousands of buyers out there who do not read listings carefully and leave unwarranted negatives.

    Under EBay's new feedback system, sellers will have no protection against this even if they do everything perfectly. "

    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Correct.

    And, now sellers will be economically damaged by those buyers.
    The will lose their fair position in search results, and they will
    lose the PSer FVF credits that were promised in order to get
    "the group" to agree to the changes.

    "The Group" is 30 Psers that EBAY invites to chat about things.
    About 20 permanent members, 10 rotating. They are ONLY
    advisory, BUT they have substantial influence.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • mrpeanut39mrpeanut39 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭
    I'd be interested to see if he leaves a reply to your response. He states that he's a new ebayer. Your polite, non-snide reply to his question should be a real learning experience. Any reasonable person should admit they didn't read the listing fully and thank you for teaching them something about general practices on eBay.
    "I think the guy must be practicing voodoo or something. Check out his eyes. Rico's crazier than a peach orchard sow." -- Whitey Herzog, Spring Training 1973
  • If they do an auction site, we may see grades going up to boost their final value fees. They shouldn't play on both sides of the fence.
    Blessings,

    Steve
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    me and storm think it sucksimage
    hes just more eliqueqint of a speaker than me , i just get mad and tell it how it isimage

    i still dont understand why we cant leave negatives as sellers and buyer can,nobody has been able to answer that for me to my satisfaction?

    ebay will though if i have to got thru a dozen of their idiots to find out-let me talk to your boss- let me talk to your box- let me talk to an american- let me talk to someone that speaks american, and the classic- let me talk to the head of the whole damn dept,that usually does it-ive had em hang up on me before, i call right back-the dont shake this ol boy to much ,but this is just lunacy and stupidity-is it a ebay and .5 conpiracy-cardgate ????image
  • me, rube and storm think it sucks.

    so do a lot of other folks. They should really step back and reconsider this new feedback debacle.

    the SELLER should retain the rights to neg. a buyer.

    The transaction isn't complete until the item is in the buyers hands; there are too many things that can happen along the way, or in many cases after the buyer has his hands on the product.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "If they do an auction site, we may see grades going up to boost their final value fees......."

    ///////////////////////////////////////////

    A ridiculous and groundless bash.

    I know one when I see it. I bash for money, everyday.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    If they do an auction site, we may see grades going up to boost their final value fees. They shouldn't play on both sides of the fence.



    lol


    Steve D
    Good for you.
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    me & storm and boba still think it sucks image
    chime in anytime-dont be skeertimage
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "me, rube and storm think it sucks.

    so do a lot of other folks. They should really step back and reconsider this new feedback debacle."

    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Folks who are interested in the subject, and need to be convinced
    that a serious problem is about to be encountered on EBAY, SHOULD
    visit the EBAY boards.

    Seller Central Board
    Buyer Central Board
    Feedback Board

    It is NOT a minority of folks who are upset.

    Scummy/Psycho buyers are over there right now explaining how they plan to ruin sellers.

    Retaliatory Feedback is a MINOR problem, compared to what is about to be unleashed.

    BTW: It is NOT "retaliatory" when a dirtbag buyer leaves an unwarranted NEG and gets one
    in return. It IS ONLY "retaliatory" when a dirtbag seller gets a warranted NEG and leaves
    one in return.

    AGAIN: Collectible categories are going to be the LEAST/LAST impacted by the change. High-risk
    category sellers - fashion/electronics - are going to be SLAUGHTERED. When those sellers leave,
    there will be FAR FEWER buyers who might wander into your collectible categories.

    Read the TRUTH at the EBAY boards. CAUTION: If you must post on the EBAY boards, ALWAYS
    use a "posting ID." EBAY retaliates against folks who disagree militantly with them. Also,
    PSYCHOs who disagree with your opinions WILL destroy your stores and NPB your auctions;
    they buy/bid every item and NEVER pay.

    EBAY Buyers....... NEG Victoriously ! image
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • I am with storm and the others I think it really sucks too! I have only left negatives for buyers that didn't pay and sellers that didn't deliver. I know I am lucky so far (knock on wood) because I am still at 100% positive and a 4.9/4.9/4.8/4.7 which would equal 4.825 rating but I can see this going down, if I get a couple uninformed buyers or some scum buyer. I can just see this scenario happening:

    Hello purchased a 1969 Tom Seaver PSA 8 from you and have received it but after looking at it, I think it is a very low end 8 (I just wanted to look at it thinking it would bump to 8.5 or 9) and the 3.00 for shipping was outrageous , so unless I get a 20.00 refund of a full refund I will give you a negative and straight 1's across the board . Please advise scumbucket here!
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    ive seen it, last thing i want to do is get over there and argue with a bunch of unenlighted halfwits with the iq of a snail, i dont think itll last long myself, remember the upraor over the cramming the ebay checkout on us,im hooping itll be like this if, not, i get 3 checks a month from govt pensions, life goes on, ebay message boards sucks worse than the beckett one-it like arguing with your mouthy teenager,and ya just want beat em half to deathimage
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    Hello purchased a 1969 Tom Seaver PSA 8 from you and have received it but after looking at it, I think it is a very low end 8 (I just wanted to look at it thinking it would bump to 8.5 or 9) and the 3.00 for shipping was outrageous , so unless I get a 20.00 refund of a full refund I will give you a negative and straight 1's across the board . Please advise scumbucket here!

    -------------------------
    exactly jim, hopefully ebay will do the right thing or they will be decimated,and their stocks,youd think the majority stockhorder would have something to say about this , they are always screwing with something, if it work s ,dont fix it,leave chit alone oneor the other,there cant be both either way,ill still be watching sponegebob at 6:00 image
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "....ebay message boards sucks worse than the beckett one-it like arguing with your mouthy teenager,and ya just want beat em half to death..."

    ///////////////////////////////////////////

    I NEVER post there.

    I read as much of it as I can. It let's me keep my head around
    how/what the good/bad folks are thinking about the marketplace.

    There are some of the sorriest humans on those boards that
    you can find anywhere; ALSO, some of the best.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    ive posted some but not alot, prob take me 3 days to find where the stupid thing is now they move stuff around so much
  • Bottom9thBottom9th Posts: 2,695 ✭✭
    Good job Josh.
    Beware of the "unskilled ebay purchasers"

    Just when you think you have heard everything....

    Bob...
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    exactly jim, hopefully ebay will do the right thing or they will be decimated,and their stocks,youd think the majority stockhorder would have something to say about this , they are always screwing with something, if it work s ,dont fix it,leave chit alone oneor the other,there cant be both either way,ill still be watching sponegebob at 6:00 image >>




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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    .."prob take me 3 days to find where the stupid thing is now they move stuff around so much..."

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  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    Josh,

    I understand why you think the new system might be bad because of the buyers that don't read the auctions.

    I looked at your auctions and they are very clear and not misleading at all if one only takes a few minutes to read. Only a few minutes is needed, then there is no confusion. A lot of buyer simply do not read the auction at all, which is appalling.

    Your response to the buyer was right on. You do not need to belittle him and I am glad you didn't. He obviously does not know all the ins and outs of the ebay culture. I am a teacher/lecturer myself and I always tell my students that reading directions are the most important lesson I can teach them whenever they ask if this is relevent to their lives or major. READING DIRECTIONS/INSTRUCTIONS/DESCRIPTIONS avoids a lot of hassle or confusion. I keep telling my students this with everything I give them hoping this gets drilled into them.

    Your description was not misleading at all since there was no fine print and your first sentence addressed the 2 pictures.

    I am glad you educated the buyer in your post and made him feel he did not get ripped off by addressing that he paid fairly for the card he got--not over or under. I hope he gets embarrassed for his own lack of using his reading skills.
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  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    Believe it or not, ebay is joining the real world a little more with the new feeback rules.

    Yes, there are going to be the idiot morons who leave a neg for no reason at all, but just like in a real business, you can kiss the butt of the customer, go out of your way to help him and go the extra mile and some people will NEVER be satisfied. They will give you bad word of mouth (ie. FEEDBACK) and you just live with it. I complain about some of the searched packs Wal-Mart sells and when I am asked for my feedback, I say NEVER buy from them, technically I just negged Wal Mart in real life. The difference is, Wal Mart doesnt put an ad in the paper saying I was wrong and neg me back

    A seller should never leave a neg for a buyer, regardless of what kind of a harda$$ the guy may be. If the buyer pays on time, thats it!!! His part is finished. I agree that my 100% FB will die soon enough, but when it goes down to 96-98%, that will be good enough for most. I think you have the option for real honest feedback now. How many times do you look at a guy who has 97% feedback with a ton of "mutually withdrawns" in his rating. Those were negs he had removed because the buyer probably didnt want one either, so the scammer got away with it. Feedback percentages will be lower but more honest. Of course, this will change too, just like every other thing ebay has done. Nothing lasts on ebay and this wont either
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY


  • << <i>Believe it or not, ebay is joining the real world a little more with the new feeback rules.

    Yes, there are going to be the idiot morons who leave a neg for no reason at all, but just like in a real business..... >>




    The point is, ebay isn't a "real" business. It's an auction site, facilitating transactions between buyers and sellers. You don't get to go into a "real" business like Walmart and bid against fellow customers for their products, then complain about the packaging and taxes after the sale. And, Walmart doesn't have their funds held for 21 days after you pay them. No "real" busines would ever be modeled after ebay.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...Feedback percentages will be lower but more honest. ..."

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    In the collectible categories, MY FB is already "honest."

    In other high-risk categories, sellers have had no choice but to
    do mutuals, IF they wanted to stay in business.

    Most of my EBAY business is in fashion/electronics. Buyers are
    notoriously crazy and pickey and fraudulent in those categories.

    Scan of DARK Blue Sweater. Buyer gets item. Leaves NEG: "It looked pink in the picture."

    High-End Shoes. Size-Cut Exactly Perfect. Buyer orders size 5 and cannot get her stinking size
    7 hoof in the things. Leaves Neg: "Shoes were cut too small."

    IPOD sale. Buyer gets yours, send his scratched to heii one back for a refund.
    PayPal gets the serial number info and denies his claim. Neg Reads: "Item Scratched. Seller Refused To Refund My Money. THIEF!!!!!

    THOUSANDS of other examples available.

    It is going to be bad.

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    It's going to get out of control and we will all be
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    What did I win ?

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    ill never look i found people too annoying and superrior than though attitudes bad for thier health the last time i was on it, im sure they dont want to see me back- i think i got bammed from it or from some mod or something, something come to think or it,been a while-didn t hurt my feeling none

  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"...Feedback percentages will be lower but more honest. ..."

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    In the collectible categories, MY FB is already "honest." >>



    Then you will thrive in the new system, because tons of people have completely bogus feedback based on the fear of retaliation negs. You will continue to have great feedback despite the occasional bogus hit, while lesser sellers will have lower numbers for not performing at the same level.

    Regular online shops have to deal with ratings where they can't leave feedback for the buyer and it doesn't go that bad for the seller. Amazon has ratings that are much more informative than e-bays feedback. Pricegrabber has a 5 star rating system for stores and even then I feel like I have more control with where I spend my money than on E-bay. Isn't it possible that this will clean up e-bay just a bit and create more e-bay buyers through increased confidence in the sellers. That will make e-bay sellers money even if it means a few negs.
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