wow clemens could be in deep ????
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<< <i>McNamee kept the vials, gauze pads and syringes from the 2000 and 2001 seasons because he feared Clemens would deny using performance-enhancing drugs, the source told the Daily News. >>
Sounds like planted evidence if you ask me.
But seriously, why would a trainer who was considered a close, personal friend of a client keep 7-year old vials.
He kept them just in case?
I'm calling it now, it's a conspiracy to take Rocket down.
Roger may be looking at some jail time.
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I'm skeptical at this point.
amazing seems like mcnamee and congress baited clemens pretty good here. held this evidence till the day after he testified under oath.
some friend mcnamee turned out to be.
<< <i>some friend mcnamee turned out to be. >>
Oooh, that gives me a good conspiracy theory.
Say McNamee was buddies with Canceco back in the day.
Jose gets blackballed and that's when his diobolical plan began...
The whole thing was a set up double cross to sell more books.
Well played, sir.
some friend mcnamee turned out to be. >>
If true , What a liar Clemons turned out to be.
your guess is as good as mine. seems weird that bonds trainer goes to jail for him. and clemens trainer is trying his hardest to crush him.
who knows petitte might of already cleared this all up. might all be over with on 2/13
There is only a "push", no "pull" as there is prior to a venous injection to be sure you are in the vein. Needles can be taken off and placed on another syringe. The alcohol wipes prove nothing. Clemens DNA on the end of a needle proves nothing unless there are steroids still within the needle which STILL proves nothing. That could be pushed in there afterwards. A "pull" would have brought blood back into the syringe and that would be proof. Just cant happen with IM.
Clemens could easily argue this theory.
Dont forget, if McNamee is proven to be a liar then he could find himself jail time too. Could this be a deserpate attempt to show his "honesty"? And if that were to happen, crapola is going to hit the fan for sure.
Who can you believe? There are way too many villians who have something to protect.
Dont misinterpret me. I have no idea if Clemens did steroids or not. Im just throwing a theory out there for the sake of arguement.
I have been against a lot of the Mitchell Report. I have no problem with them naming players who have a proven paper trail (ie Paul LaDuca). But the players they name just because McNamee said so was improper and slanderous. It's one unscroupulous guy's word against anothers.
Maybe you guys forgot the taped phone message from MAC to Clemens---" I'll say or do whatever you want Rog, i'll go to jail for you...". Now you believe that this guy kept this stuff??? Pleeeeeeease!!.... Bet you believe everything in the National Enquirer too!!
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<< <i>``You are about to see the second edition of the Duke case,'' attorney Rusty Hardin said at a press conference in Washington. ``I warn you, in five, six or seven months, any of you who got on the bandwagon about Roger taking steroids is going to be embarrassed. It's a fabricated story.'' >>
Yeah, all of you are going to be embarrassed.
Neener-neener-neeeener.
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funny thing is a miller lite can in one of the pictures. the guy saved all this stuff and a beer can for 7 years? story is getting weird to me also. and im a mets fan!
The court will not allow this "evidence." IrishMike is correct, that there is no chain of custody, so it can't be trusted. In anthropology, we say it does not have "provenience."
So far, the scales tip in Clemens favor.
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McNamee will be rotting in a jail cell while Rocket plays golf.
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Any good attorney on this (psa) board will tell you that none of this evidence will hold up in court as there was no chain of custody and all of the DNA is contaminated. MAC, being a cop, you should have been the first one to know this, especially (you) with that rape charge in your past..... Interesting thought though...Roger has his defamation suit still going against MAC...but Roger has "never" used the word LIAR in reference to MAC.....
good for mcnamme, he shouldnt let this guy clemens walk all over him just cause he has 7 cy youngs......
this will teach people a good lesson, DONT LIE TO CONGRESS no matter WHO U ARE!
<< <i>Any good attorney on this (psa) board will tell you that none of this evidence will hold up in court as there was no chain of custody and all of the DNA is contaminated. MAC, being a cop, you should have been the first one to know this, especially (you) with that rape charge in your past..... Interesting thought though...Roger has his defamation suit still going against MAC...but Roger has "never" used the word LIAR in reference to MAC..... >>
The ONLY court that matters in all of this is the court of Public Opinion.
They'll hang him.
<< <i>mcnammee had no reason to take down clemens....until clemens called him a liar and TAPED A PERSONAL PHONE CONVERSATION and then played it at his news conference... from what i hear, that PISSED OFF MCNAMME bigtime and now he wants to take the rocket down!
good for mcnamme, he shouldnt let this guy clemens walk all over him just cause he has 7 cy youngs......
this will teach people a good lesson, DONT LIE TO CONGRESS no matter WHO U ARE! >>
Wha?!?
1) If he had no reason, why did he (allegedly) keep used needles for 7 years? Where's Pettitte's needles? Where's Knobby's? Only kept Rocket's? Right....
2) You know that phone call was AFTER the Mitchell report came out. Also, you know the call was leaked before Clemens' press conference. Rumor is Brian recorded the conversation too and was egging Rocket to commit tampering.
3) Rocket didn't walk all over him; Rocket showered him with money, connections, and thought of him as family. Brian couldn't have asked for a better friend and this is how he treats him.
4) Someone WILL go to jail and I'm willing to bet it's Brian. Wanna make a sig line wager?
link to mcnamee shooting clemens wife up with hgh
this might be a dumb question.. but can congress call clemens wife to testify under oath that she never recieved these shots?
In that article it says that he has Clemens DNA mixed with steroids. That would be impossible unless it was mixed within the needle. Let me tell you how simple this would be...
Needle used to shoot B12...grab a vile and draw the fluid AFTER some other injection. Yup, DNA mixed with steroids. This has been held in improper hands and would never hold up.
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Feb. 10, 2008, 12:18AM
THE MITCHELL REPORT
Clemens lawyer casts doubt on McNamee's story
Party at Canseco's home is at center of report disputed by Hardin
By HOWARD FENDRICH
Associated Press
WASHINGTON — A lawyer for Roger Clemens said Saturday the pitcher can prove he didn't attend a June 1998 party at Jose Canseco's home described by Brian McNamee in the Mitchell Report.
According to McNamee, Clemens first raised the subject of steroids not long after McNamee saw Canseco and Clemens meeting during the party.
Clemens' side has turned over evidence to congressional investigators, including an affidavit from Canseco, to support that the pitcher wasn't present at Canseco's home that day, the attorney, Rusty Hardin, said in a telephone interview with the Associated Press.
Hardin said video footage from telecasts of baseball games around the time of the party also were given to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. In the telecasts, Hardin said, TV announcers can be heard discussing Canseco's party and noting that Clemens wasn't there.
A person familiar with the committee's investigation confirmed the affidavit and video were turned over and are in Clemens' favor. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the investigation.
The House panel is examining former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell's report on drug use in baseball, and a public hearing Wednesday is expected to focus on Clemens' denials of what his former trainer, McNamee, alleged. McNamee told Mitchell he injected Clemens at least 16 times with steroids and human growth hormone in 1998, 2000 and 2001.
"One of the things the committee is going to hear on Wednesday is about this party that is supposed to have started this whole thing," Hardin said. "Roger wasn't even at this party."
Asked about what Hardin said, one of McNamee's attorneys, Richard Emery, replied: "It may be that he wasn't there for the whole time, but he was there at some point. ... His kids were there, his wife was there, and he was there."
The first mention of Clemens' name in the Mitchell Report is on page 167. On the next page comes McNamee's account of "a lunch party that Canseco hosted at his home in Miami."
"McNamee stated that, during this luncheon, he observed Clemens, Canseco, and another person he did not know meeting inside Canseco's house, although McNamee did not personally attend that meeting," the Mitchell Report says.
Canseco, the report goes on to say, told Mitchell's staff "he had numerous conversations with Clemens about the benefits of Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol and how to 'cycle' and 'stack' steroids."
Hardin said that last week Clemens' camp sent a lawyer to interview Canseco, whose book, Juiced, prompted Congress to hold hearings in March 2005. Canseco said Clemens was not at the party, Hardin said.
Canseco's lawyer, Robert Saunooke, said he was unaware of an affidavit but did confirm Canseco has spoken to lawyers for Clemens recently.
Hardin said the video footage turned over to the committee includes one announcer making reference to Canseco's party and saying Clemens didn't show up. Another announcer, Hardin said, adds that he saw Clemens playing golf that day.
Hardin said Clemens has a receipt for greens fees that day.
Hardin hopes the committee will show the video during Wednesday's hearing, he said, "and let the public see how dramatic and clear it is that Roger obviously was not at the very party that McNamee is testifying started this whole thing. It's the foundation of it."
Clemens raised the discrepancy about the party during his face-to-face meetings with representatives last week.
"He told me he was never there," said Rep. Paul Kanjorski, a Pennsylvania Democrat.
If it turns out these conversations never took place, it doesn't prove Clemens never took any PED's, but MacNamee's creditiblity is going to take a huge hit. I guess it has bigger implications for MacNamee also if the government considers that this part of his testimony was a lie.
<< <i>Does anyone know if Canseco mentions Clemens in "Jucied"? >>
I didn't read the book but I've been told that Jose says in his book that he believed Rocket never took steroids.
I am wondering if MacNamee had a purpose to lie or was he in some way coerced. I know it does not make sense for him to lie, but something must be behind those lies. Is MacNamee a mere puppet or sacrificial lamb for some bigger agenda we can not even imagine at this point?
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Big problems if MacNamee is caught in lies.
I had to laugh at one article where the Mets clubhouse guy..forget his name...had said that he believed MacNamee and that he was honest and had no reason to lie, etc.....does he realize that MacNamee is a rapist too?
Again, I dont know if Clemens juiced or not. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out now. It just makes me a bit sad I suppose that a guy can be guilty of such things because one person says its true. To just take a guys word for it...a rapist and and drug dealer...is just a big stupid blunder by Mitchell et al IMO.
So y'all believe McNamee told the truth about Pettite and Knoblauch, but decided to lie about Clemens because Pettite was not a "big enough fish" for Mitchell. Please, have another cup of Clemens Cool-Aid!!
The lyin' SOB Clemens should NEVER be allowed in the HOF. Also, unless he pleas his way out of it, he could go to jail for perjury.
<< <i>Wake up people!! Clemens and his lawyers are conducting the biggest BS campaign since the OJ trial. Meeting Congressmen on the committe, and signing autographs for their staff was TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. And what is with this tape from 1998 -- how is this relevant? Oh, I see --- even though Roger's DNA is all over the vials of 'roids and HGH, the 1998 tape proves that McNamee is a liar, so he had to have "planted" the evidence. Gimme a break.
So y'all believe McNamee told the truth about Pettite and Knoblauch, but decided to lie about Clemens because Pettite was not a "big enough fish" for Mitchell. Please, have another cup of Clemens Cool-Aid!!
The lyin' SOB Clemens should NEVER be allowed in the HOF. Also, unless he pleas his way out of it, he could go to jail for perjury. >>
That sounds more like blind hatred rather than seeing the facts as presented and the credibility of said accusations..
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<< <i>Wake up people!! Clemens and his lawyers are conducting the biggest BS campaign since the OJ trial. Meeting Congressmen on the committe, and signing autographs for their staff was TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. And what is with this tape from 1998 -- how is this relevant? Oh, I see --- even though Roger's DNA is all over the vials of 'roids and HGH, the 1998 tape proves that McNamee is a liar, so he had to have "planted" the evidence. Gimme a break.
So y'all believe McNamee told the truth about Pettite and Knoblauch, but decided to lie about Clemens because Pettite was not a "big enough fish" for Mitchell. Please, have another cup of Clemens Cool-Aid!!
The lyin' SOB Clemens should NEVER be allowed in the HOF. Also, unless he pleas his way out of it, he could go to jail for perjury. >>
That sounds more like blind hatred rather than seeing the facts as presented and the credibility of said accusations..
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No, sounds more like blind love from a homer. Just the kind of folks Jason Whitlock is talking about Link
"Roger has screwed this whole thing up, turned a Giambi situation into a Pete Rose situation. Clemens should've said he tried it a few times, regrets doing it and wants to be forgiven. Yeah, he would've had to wait a few years to enter the Hall of Fame and wait a few minutes to get a table at a couple of restaurants, but eventually all lips would've returned to his rear end."