I will bet you that Nolan Ryan took steroids or other performance enhancers.
AlmostPerfect
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I just am so sure, in my heart, that he was on the same stuff that Clemens was on. Think about it, you know it's true.
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<< <i>I just am so sure, in my heart, that he was on the same stuff that Clemens was on. Think about it, you know it's true. >>
Nope. He's a freak of nature, and the real deal. Seriously.
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<< <i>I just am so sure, in my heart, that he was on the same stuff that Clemens was on. Think about it, you know it's true. >>
AlmostPerfect = Robin Ventura???
He lead the league in K's:
0 times before he turned 25.
7 times between the ages of 25 and 32 (8 seasons)
0 times between the ages of 33 and 39 (7 seasons)
4 times between the ages of 40 and 43 (4 seasons)
0 times after he turned 44.
He dominated during his prime, which isn't unexpected, but then after tapering off a bit as he went through his 30s, he started dominating the league in K's again at the age of 40.
He also pitched 2 no-hitters in his 40s as well.
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he did pitch longer than anyone though, what 27 years?, long time to be using that arm, maybe, maybe not, we'll never know-their looking for chuck knoblockhead now for rthe roads thing,, as our card goes around the country of him on the chuck does america thread
<< <i>He dominated during his prime, which isn't unexpected, but then after tapering off a bit as he went through his 30s, he started dominating the league in K's again at the age of 40. >>
You think that might have had anything to do with the fact that he went from the NL to the AL and faced hitters that he had never faced before?
he could pop a couple advil and still strikeout most players today..
as for his numbers....no pitcher will ever strike out more, but then, no pitcher will ever walk more! W/L records are overrated as it's a joint effort and he did play for some crappy teams
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<< <i>Hard to lead the league in strikeouts (under 25) when you are a middle reliever and a spot starter.... >>
Not to mention the fact that he was wild as a hawk. As he got older he learned to "pitch" and once he got control of the curve that was all she wrote. Batters had to sit on his fastball, no choice, and when Nolan through the hook at 'em...we'll it's hard to swing when you're soiling your undies.
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Steve
I agree his domination later in his career was a result of moving to the AL from the NL. As he got older and his fastball was losing velocity he was forced to learn to pitch instead of just throwing it up there.
Ryan was asked 4 years ago on ESPN if he could still throw as fast(90+mph). Ryan said based on his age it would take him about 3 to 4 weeks to get there.
I imagine you will tell us next that Charlie Hough took steroids throwing that 60 mph knuckle ball of his. If you have a take, please don't suck.........
I used to have slumps that lasted through the winter!! Bob Uecker
Why anyone would think he took roids is beyond me. Leijas is correct late in his career he began to pitch more.
Steve
how do you prove or disprove? Where is Allen when i need him?
Steve
<< <i>Wasn't it Ryan who used to stick his arms in 5 gallon buckets filled with grain or sand and move them in a circular pattern for training? >>
That was Steve Carlton.
"Molon Labe"
When Ryan pounded on Ventura, that was the BEST!
"Ruth and Maris never took steroids."
Canseco smiled and said (continuing to sign) "they would've if they could've."
I thought this was very telling. Before Balco and Mitchell, Jose basically admitted (without admitting) that he took 'em.
But whatever. I think he actually had a point... the question of steroids is not a question about records or baseball... it's a question about character. Who had the character not to take steroids way back when. We may never know. Players weren't covered the way they are today.
But Ted Williams gave the finger to fans. Would he have taken steroids?
Maris was under so much pressure later in the season to beat Ruth, would he have?
Mantle had so many health problems later in his career. Would he have gone for a quick fix? He cheated on his wife... so we wonder what his character was like.
I dunno. Maybe Selig is right. Lets put this behind us. Fast.
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The guy is gonna be 61 next week, and it's been 15 years since he retired. I hardly think it odd that a 61 year old would have some health problems.
"Molon Labe"
<< <i>I wonder why a great player who pitched into his mid 40's and pitched well and always kept himself in tip top shape, has had major health problems less than 10 years after he retired? This strikes me as odd or simply just unfortunate bad luck.
The guy is gonna be 61 next week, and it's been 15 years since he retired. I hardly think it odd that a 61 year old would have some health problems. >>
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I'm sure having pitched at that level for that many years didn't help things any either , besides becoming a regular everyday Fuddy Duddy
<< <i>I just am so sure, in my heart, that he was on the same stuff that Clemens was on. Think about it, you know it's true. >>
How long since you took your meds?
I also think you're a sad, pathetic little boy.
Go post your drivel on some adolescent (Brittany Spears, Hannah Montana, etc.) board.
Honestly I dont think he did though.. Great pitcher and role model!
<< <i>His name is now being mentioned in the Mitchell reports as well as many other from the 1980's such as Ricky Henderson >>
Huh?
Are they going to publish a revised report or something?
You must be confused; the only link between Ryan and the Mitchell report is that he won't discuss steroids with the media.
And people wonder how rumours are started.
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Hall of Famer Ryan won't discuss steroids in baseball
Associated Press
Updated: January 24, 2008, 12:32 AM ET
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NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. -- If Nolan Ryan has any opinions about Roger Clemens and steroids, the Hall of Fame pitcher is keeping them to himself.
Ryan declined to talk about performance-enhancing drugs Wednesday night before a fundraising dinner for Southern California's baseball program. The dinner included a round-table discussion featuring Ryan.
Debra Saal, marketing director for Restaurant Business Inc., said Ryan didn't feel comfortable discussing the subject Wednesday night.
Clemens, a Texas fastballer just like Ryan, is deciding whether to accept an invitation to appear next week at a Houston Astros clinic: The Nolan Ryan Elite Pitching Camp.
Ryan pitched for Houston from 1980-88 and now serves as a special assistant to Astros general manager Ed Wade.
In last month's Mitchell Report on performance-enhancing drugs in baseball, Clemens' former trainer, Brian McNamee, said he injected the pitcher with steroids and human growth hormone in 1998, 2000 and 2001, accusations the seven-time Cy Young Award winner has denied.
Clemens' lawyer has said he will appear before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee at a Feb. 13 hearing on steroids in baseball. Clemens was asked to speak Saturday to committee staff, one of five depositions or transcribed interviews scheduled by the committee before the hearing next month.
Ryan spent 27 seasons in the major leagues with the New York Mets, California Angels, Astros and Texas Rangers from 1966-93. He threw a record seven no-hitters, won 324 games and established marks for most strikeouts in one season (383 in 1973) and in a career (5,714).
Ryan was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1999 on the first ballot.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
indeed.
the OP seems like a freshly minted douchebag
at least from his postings.
i dont know if its true, but i feel it in my heart, so it MUST be true.
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<< <i>I just am so sure, in my heart, that he was on the same stuff that Clemens was on. Think about it, you know it's true. >>
How long since you took your meds?
I also think you're a sad, pathetic little boy.
Go post your drivel on some adolescent (Brittany Spears, Hannah Montana, etc.) board. >>
Hey man, if it bothers you so much that you have to attempt to demean me, that is a reflection on you. My statements were made without malice and are based upon my opinion, as your overreaction and nasty comments are a reflection on you. Why so much anger? Take your own advice, killer.
<< <i>Hey man, if it bothers you so much that you have to attempt to demean me, that is a reflection on you. My statements were made without malice and are based upon my opinion, as your overreaction and nasty comments are a reflection on you. Why so much anger? Take your own advice, killer. >>
You start a thread bashing Ryan by accusing him of taking steroids, without any substance or proof.
Then have the gall to call out another poster doing the same to you.
How ironic...
Of course, that is just my opinion, so your upcoming overreaction and nasty comments will be a reflection on you. Why the unfounded accusations?
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Taking amphetamines to "get sober and stay awake"
could be said to have been a character flaw.
I do not really see any drug use as being about "character."
BUT, when guys get busted for "cheating" and LIE about it, the
"character" question is valid.
Pete Rose has been saying his only real mistake was "not
coming clean" early on. Some folks think he STILL has not
told the whole truth.
Some years out, Canseco is likely to be remembered as the
guy who showed the most "character" when he admitted
he cheated and said he was sorry.
Steve
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Then , make your case.
You can do that by supporting your "strong belief" with
some offer of proof; introducing evidence.
"His numbers were better when he played more," is
NOT a good offer of proof.
Show us something.
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Then , make your case.
You can do that by supporting your "strong belief" with
some offer of proof; introducing evidence.
"His numbers were better when he played more," is
NOT a good offer of proof.
Show us something.
You could have stated it differently and still made the same point is all i am saying.
Steve