Question for Boston fans
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Hypothetically, say NE wins another Super Bowl and goes undefeated.
Where would you put Brady with other Boston greats?
Yaz?
Bird?
Williams?
Papi?
Schilling?
Orr?
Where would you put Brady with other Boston greats?
Yaz?
Bird?
Williams?
Papi?
Schilling?
Orr?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
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Russell
Bird
Brady
Marciano
In that order
This superbowl is somewhat of a weird situation. Very few people outside of the NE area realized that many of the older, diehard Pats fans started out as Giant fans. Prior to the Pats coming into the league, The NY Giants were the most local team that Boston football fans could root for.
2-Williams
3-Bird
4-Orr
-Williams
-Yastrzemski
-Brady
-Bird
-Orr
-Ortiz
-Schill
Edited to add: p.s. This list is NOT dependent on weather or not we win the Bowl. That's where he would stand (in my mind) either way.
Just curious where you would put Brady with the other Boston greats of years gone by...
<< <i>Doesn't have to be my list since obviously I forgot to mention a couple of icons (ie Russell).
Just curious where you would put Brady with the other Boston greats of years gone by... >>
My Choice is Tom Brady-hands down! Cool thread B!
<< <i>I know how much y'all love Ted and Bird.. So was curious to see if Brady could ever overtake them in Baahstan lore.
Honestly, the Pats will never top Teddy. And in my book, they'll never top Yaz, Fisk, Doerr or Pesky either. Maybe that's because I'm just more of a baseball guy than a football guy.
But "Big pitcure-wise"... I'd say that NE will always love Tom Brady, and he'll be in the top 10 fave's for any new England sports fan.
I DO, however, put him OVER Manny, Papi, Schill, Tek, etc. Even though those guys have been a round for a while, and done really well for us, Bradys probably going to be looked at as "over" them..... if there must be a list.
Also, you have to remember that Brady's now going for his 3rd SB win in 5 years (again, I'm not a huge football guy, so those numbers might ne off) and that's great.. but it's not "epic" like, for instance, Teddy's lifetime numbers. The 19-0 is going to be absolutley humungous for the Patriots and to Tom Brady's Career, but it's just a few good years... give him some more time... if he keeps it up, maybe he'll "jump up a notch or two"... until then, it's those baseball legends that are in the forefront of my mind.
Thanks for the thread man, good stuff.
Cool thread man.. it gets us NE people thinking!
Russell
Bird
Brady
Yaz
Schilling
Orr
Papi
Patriots- 1-Tom Brady
2-Bill Belichek
Sox- 1-ScHilling - I have to put Schill on the top of my list just because he helped ( in a major way ) bring a World Series to Beantown which I really did not think I would ever see, let alone 2!
2-Ted Williams
Brady
Orr
Bird
Teddy Ballgame
It's all about championships. Teddy was one of the all time best, but no rings. Need to bring home the bacon to top the list.
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Steve
<< <i>Brady's now going for his 3rd SB win in 5 years >>
That is correct but 4th in 7 years sounds a lot better.
Bird, Orr, Williams always considered the Top 3
into the top 5
Brady would have 4 Super Bowl Titles and #? QB 0f All Time
Ortiz has 2 World Series and counting and Greatest Clutch hitter
Other greats (alphabetically):
Bob Cousy
John Havlicek
Cam Neely
Bill Russell
Curt Schilling
Carl Yastrzemski
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Steve
<< <i>BE SERIOUS!
Bird, Orr, Williams always considered the Top 3
into the top 5
Brady would have 4 Super Bowl Titles and #? QB 0f All Time
Ortiz has 2 World Series and counting and Greatest Clutch hitter
Other greats (alphabetically):
Bob Cousy
John Havlicek
Cam Neely
Bill Russell
Curt Schilling
Carl Yastrzemski >>
Cam Neely over Ray Bourque?
Williams will always be number 1, I think Brady could win 9 SB's and never be regarded as highly. Williams was the best player in his sport for years, and lost 4 prime years to the war. Before this year, there weren't many argueing Brady as the best QB in the league. He's very good, but growing up a Niners fan I would have traded Montana for Marino anyday, Montana just happened to play on the best TEAM, as does Brady. Not knocking either of them, but they've got themselves in great situations (talking Brady and Montana, who Brady is always compared to).
As for number 2, from an outsiders perspective it's interchangable between Bird and Orr, or Orr and Bird. Bird and Johnson were THE 2 best ballers in the 1980's, I don't think you can question their decade long dominance. But between 68/69 and 1975 Bobby Orr WAS THE GREATEST PLAYER in the NHL. Esposito might have gotten the MVP awards (I believe he got 3 while Orr got 2), there is little question that Esposito wouldn't have garnered nearly as many points without Orr. Without Esposito, Orr would have just made someone else famous.
Brady will always be # 4 in my mind.
Jay
the younger generation will embrace the new, more youthful icons. Brady and Papi might top that list amongst the kids of today/adults of tommorow.
Right now, Williams, Russell, Bird, et.al are still relatively fresh in the minds of 80-90% of a very rabid fan base.
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It's all about championships. Teddy was one of the all time best, but no rings. Need to bring home the bacon to top the list. >>
Agreed!!!!
Orr was #1 and will always be held in the highest esteem because of the championships and his undeniable greatness.
Pesky is and will always be appreciated; he is after all the elder statesman of the Red Sox, but that 1946 World Series will never be forgotten.
Teddy Ballgame is the one player who never needed a championship to be part of the Boston elite.
By enlisting and serving in World War II and the Korean War, Ted Williams became an undeniable War Hero with his service to his country.
As for being replaced by Brady and Papi.
The young guys will move up and Brady could move all the way to #1 because how many Super Bowls could he win and maybe he could be the greatest QB of All Time.
Big maybes.
Papi has upside as wel, just have to wait and see.
But --
No one is going to surpass the Russell Championship count.
No one is going to revolutionize a sport the way Orr did.
Bird is forever linked with Magic as two of the three that brought basketball back from the abyss.
Williams will never be left out -- he is incomparable. No one has ever done what he did with his baseball years and his military service and his coming back to play.
By the way Red Auerbach is in the top tier (although not a player).
This is what sets Orr, Bird, Russell and the newbies (Brady and Ortiz) apart from the other Boston greats. They won it all. In the case of these 5 players, they were all the straw that stirred the championship drink.
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for their teams for many many years.
By the time his career is over, it will be Brady, Williams, Yaz, Bird, Orr.
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<< <i>That Yankees-cap-wearing Tom Brady sure does love hanging out in NYC doesn't he?
I would too if Giselle asked me to...
<< <i>Ahh, I am so glad a hockey fan finally came through on this one (I was going to chime in but because I don't live in Boston and I'm not American I figured I'd get roasted).
Williams will always be number 1, I think Brady could win 9 SB's and never be regarded as highly. Williams was the best player in his sport for years, and lost 4 prime years to the war. Before this year, there weren't many argueing Brady as the best QB in the league. He's very good, but growing up a Niners fan I would have traded Montana for Marino anyday, Montana just happened to play on the best TEAM, as does Brady. Not knocking either of them, but they've got themselves in great situations (talking Brady and Montana, who Brady is always compared to).
As for number 2, from an outsiders perspective it's interchangable between Bird and Orr, or Orr and Bird. Bird and Johnson were THE 2 best ballers in the 1980's, I don't think you can question their decade long dominance. But between 68/69 and 1975 Bobby Orr WAS THE GREATEST PLAYER in the NHL. Esposito might have gotten the MVP awards (I believe he got 3 while Orr got 2), there is little question that Esposito wouldn't have garnered nearly as many points without Orr. Without Esposito, Orr would have just made someone else famous.
Brady will always be # 4 in my mind.
Jay >>
Hmmm, I agree totally with your Bird take... not only was he one of the 2 best in the 80's, but easily in the top 5 all-time on anybody's list, despite having his career shortened several years by injury. In addition he and Magic essentially "saved" basketball. It had several down years in the late 70's and interest was severely waning. But when Bird/Magic came in, that all changed. I think that every guy in the NBA should be giving a cut of their paychecks to these guys. True, they may still have had a job without their contributions, but there's no way they would have been making the kind of jack they are now without B&M's influences.
However, I really can't buy into what you're saying about the QB issue. And as a fellow 49er fan, I am shocked that you could even mention Montana and Marino in the same sentance, much less utter the sacrilige that you'd rather have DM than JM... shame on you!
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<< <i>Williams, Yaz, Brady, Bird, Orr. Papi and Schilling, I don't think, should even be on this list. All the other guys played
for their teams for many many years.
By the time his career is over, it will be Brady, Williams, Yaz, Bird, Orr. >>
Russell definitely ranks higher than Yaz.
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THE BEST THERE EVER WILL BE!
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