1982 Topps Blackless Mislabeled Cards On Ebay

viking7

FYI, for those not in the know the blackless cards recently listed by 4sharp are not blackless cards, but mislabeled 82 Topps. The Schmidt All Star PSA 10 is clearly not blackless as the name at the bottom which appears in black would be missing if the card were blackless as would the black line that surround the picture. I sent an email to the seller in the event they aren't aware of what blackless cards look like.
I also see a 82 Topps Gossage All Star Blackless PSA 10 that is a mislabeled card and emailed that seller. The Butch Wynegar blackless card is the only card I can see at this time that is indeed blackless. I have no doubt others may have sent emails to the sellers to let them know of the errors. I emailed a seller last week about a mislabeled blackless card and that seller immediately changed his listing and thanked me for the info. We'll see what happens with this current group of cards.

mikeschmidt

<< <i>FYI, for those not in the know the blackless cards recently listed by 4sharp are not blackless cards, but mislabeled 82 Topps. The Schmidt All Star PSA 10 is clearly not blackless as the name at the bottom which appears in black would be missing if the card were blackless as would the black line that surround the picture. I sent an email to the seller in the event they aren't aware of what blackless cards look like.
I also see a 82 Topps Gossage All Star Blackless PSA 10 that is a mislabeled card and emailed that seller. The Butch Wynegar blackless card is the only card I can see at this time that is indeed blackless. I have no doubt others may have sent emails to the sellers to let them know of the errors. I emailed a seller last week about a mislabeled blackless card and that seller immediately changed his listing and thanked me for the info. We'll see what happens with this current group of cards. >>



I brought this up to Joe Orlando the last time 4 Sharp Corners tried to sell these cards about 6-9 months ago. Clearly nothing was done.

Marc

viking7

Thanks for your follow up Marc, I didn't realize these were listed before. I sent Joe an email early yesterday about all of the mislabels
out there on the blackless cards. The worst part about the whole mess is when a seller doesn't even change the listing after being told whats going on there. I feel bad for buyers that have purchased some of these not knowing that all they are getting is a regular 82.

Salinas

I agree, and commend you for bringing this to the attention of potential buyers.

bobsbbcards

I also sent emails to the seller(s) letting them know their listings were in error. It's amazing what sneaks past PSA's graders sometimes. Could I put Blackless on my submission next to just any 1982 Topps card and get them to slab it as such? Maybe. Could I put NNOF next to a regular 1990 Frank Thomas and get that added to the cert? I hope not, but who knows?

NickM

4SC's data entry person lists whatever is on the label. They're not trying to sneak something past buyers - I picked up a mislabeled Desert Shield from them (labeled as a regular '91 Topps) and a mislabeled '84 Topps Tiffany (labeled as a regular Topps). Both went cheaper due to the mislabel than they would have if listed/labeled correctly. I also picked up a '79 OPC that was incorrectly labeled and listed as a '78 (price wouldn't have been different either way).

I've also seen them sell Topps Gold parallels that were incorrectly labeled and listed as regular Topps, which can be a very serious loss to the seller.

Nick

redlegs

4SC is now selling cracked Kellogg's cards. Check out the 1978 Burt Hooten psa 9. You can clearly see the horizontal crack.



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hill33

Linkage

I have submitted cards and had clearly typed the correct variation on the submission form, and somewhere along the line it was changed by someone and returned with the incorrect variation on the card.

swartz1

I understand the seller has an obligation here - but if a buyer purchases a "blackless" card when there is clearly black on the card ... doesnt the buyer have some responsibilty ?

viking7

In response to swartz1, I guess it would be nice if everyone that decided to purchase blackless variations knew exactly what to look for.
I know from some of the emails I've received that sometimes when a potential buyer is just becoming aware of these cards they don't always notice the difference between a regular 82 and a blackless. Putting the blackless card of a player next to the regular 82 of the same player is one way to explain this to a newer buyer. On the "In Action" cards for example the only difference is the black line that surrounds the picture. A dealer that currently has no blackless cards listed had a Pete Rose card with a mislabel saying it was blackless.
It clearly wasn't blackless so I emailed to let the seller know. I didn't check back on the listing. Later I received an email from another blackless collector informing me that someone had purchased the card at the minimum starting bid of 99.00. That collector said he emailed the buyer to let him know that the card wasn't blackless. Now when I checked to see who purchased the card I was surprised.
It was a guy that had purchased quite a few blackless over at least the last yr. I had sold him a few cards, and he had purchased quite a few others I've seen on ebay. So you never know who knows what about these cards which is why I posted in the first place. Just to let
potentil buyers know that as of a few days ago out of 7 listings on ebay only the Wynegar was a blackless card. I guess everyone has to start some where, and what might seem obvious to one person may not to another. Better safe than sorry. Why some of these listings haven't been corrected after so many days is beyond me. I know several collectors have emailed to let the sellers know of the
mistakes on the labels.

HITKING

For clarification purposes, is the 1982 Pete Rose #781 PSA 9 listed by 4 Sharp Corners (#190188952832) blackless or not? I was thinking on bidding on it but if it is not blackless I do not need it. If anyone has any real 82 Pete Rose blackless cards please let me know. We may be able to work something out. Thanks!

ldferg

very obvious crack in the hooton.

bobsbbcards

<< <i>For clarification purposes, is the 1982 Pete Rose #781 PSA 9 listed by 4 Sharp Corners (#190188952832) blackless or not? >>


It is not (nor is the PSA 8). Compare them to any of the other Rose #781s on eBay, and they looks the same. Key is looking for the black border around the picture.

CDsNuts

The best is how PSA labelled some of their 1991 Topps checklist cards as "Desert Shield", and they sold for $50 a piece on ebay. The funny thing about that is the 1991 Checklists that you got out of DS packs had no DS logo so you can't tell the difference between them and regular checklists.

You gotta love PSA basically printing money for 4SC.

bishop

<< <i>I also sent emails to the seller(s) letting them know their listings were in error. It's amazing what sneaks past PSA's graders sometimes. Could I put Blackless on my submission next to just any 1982 Topps card and get them to slab it as such? Maybe. Could I put NNOF next to a regular 1990 Frank Thomas and get that added to the cert? I hope not, but who knows? >>



Bob---write blackless across your Topps 1968 3D cards and them submit them....and let us know what happens.

Maybe they are just grey goblins

bobsbbcards

<< <i>Bob---write blackless across your Topps 1968 3D cards and them submit them....and let us know what happens. >>


I'll write that they're actually 4-dimensional. That'll mess with their heads.

carew4me

Once you go Blackless...you'll never go backless

viking7

Hey, there's a real blackless card.

saucywombat

Thanks for the info. I've been confused as to what part of the card was supposed to be blackless since a lot of slabbed cards clearly have black lettering.

mikeschmidt

<< <i>Thanks for the info. I've been confused as to what part of the card was supposed to be blackless since a lot of slabbed cards clearly have black lettering. >>

Here would be an example where it is quite obvious:

mcholke

I wanted to share as well

Ichiro51fan

<< <i>4SC's data entry person lists whatever is on the label. They're not trying to sneak something past buyers - I picked up a mislabeled Desert Shield from them (labeled as a regular '91 Topps) and a mislabeled '84 Topps Tiffany (labeled as a regular Topps). Both went cheaper due to the mislabel than they would have if listed/labeled correctly. I also picked up a '79 OPC that was incorrectly labeled and listed as a '78 (price wouldn't have been different either way).

I've also seen them sell Topps Gold parallels that were incorrectly labeled and listed as regular Topps, which can be a very serious loss to the seller.

Nick >>



hmmm, I am frankly shocked that you actually received your times if 4SC's sold them for under market $ due to their mistake. I remember a few months back when they listed the 1972 Topps Foli IA PSA-9 for a BIN of $19.99. It was snapped up quickly by a '72 collector, but of course he never received the card, encountering a variety of lame excuses from 4SC's (including the final one that they simply couldn't find the card). Low and behold, about 2 months later, they listed the exact same card again and it went for around $500. So, please don't try to make excused for these a$$wipes... their fiascos are widely noted in these forums and they are a pathetic detraction from our hobby.

viking7

At this point 4sharp has had plenty of time to change the listings and not advertise the cards as blackless. I emailed him and so did others last week and still no change.

Big80s

I actually own two '82 Topps George Brett's (one All Star and one regular issue) that are mislabeled as Blackless by PSA. I had no clue what Blackless even was until I got that submission back and read the labels. I was then confused before being set straight by one of our very own. Why does PSA continue to mislabel these? Also - can I send mine in for a free correction? I feel bad that the two I have are messing up the POP report for those who actually collect these rare variations.
Jeff

bobsbbcards

I'm puzzled as to why no PSA employee has chimed in on this thread and/or sent an email off to 4SC asking/telling them to pull the auctions and return the cards to be correctly graded.

PSA? PSA? Bueller?

swartz1

<< <i>In response to swartz1, I guess it would be nice if everyone that decided to purchase blackless variations knew exactly what to look for.


It was just pretty obvious to me they were not blackless... to the unknowing - you are correct -


and to still not have something done about the auctions still ongoing is ridiculous...

viking7

Jeff, You should be able to get the labels corrected by PSA. I know a few yrs ago when I sent in some blackless cards they were graded but the labels didn't say blackless. I sent the cards back in as mechanical errors and they were fixed. I had to fill out the forms noting the problem and what the label should say and put "Mechanical Error" on the submission form. As I recall all I paid for was the shipping of the cards to PSA. You could contact PSA just to make sure of the process.

Big80s

viking7 - Thank you for that.

SCook85

I learned about blackless cards when I saw them on eBay. I happen to own 20 different 1983 Topps Football cards which have no black on them. In some cases I have the card with black as well. I do notice that PSA doesn't show "blackless" for 1983 Topps football cards in their POP reports. Are they not recognized by PSA or are they just that rare?

Mine all have great edges and corners, but the centering isn't very good on any of them so I have not sent them in for grading. Are my 1983 Topps Football blackless cards going to be in as much demand as the 1982 Topps baseball cards?

SCook85

Here are scans of my 1983 Topps Blackless cards.

HITKING

After being alerted, PSA should just purchase the cards off eBay from 4 Sharp Corners. There are currently two (2) Pete Rose mislabeled 1982 Topps Blackless cards listed on eBay for the third time without a sale. They can be purchased "Buy It Now" for $100 and $20 respectively. Someone at PSA should step up to the plate and get those two cards off the market. PSA does not realize their integrity is being challenged and resultantly will be damaged. A quick $120 decision will stop the bleeding!