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If Orlando Cepada is in the HOF, isn't Frank Thomas a shoe-in?

jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963
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Please discuss.

Would appreciate all input from the studs on this board.

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  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,622 ✭✭✭✭
    Frank Thomas is a HOF'er on his own merit. No need to compare him to anyone else.
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  • msassinmsassin Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Frank Thomas is a HOF'er on his own merit. No need to compare him to anyone else. >>



    Agreed.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I agree.


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  • rajah424rajah424 Posts: 439 ✭✭
    Can't make any decisions until Cansecos' new book comes out. image
  • easydoesiteasydoesit Posts: 547
    If Thomas is never named in any steroid case he is a definite. If so, then he may go the way of Palmiero.
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  • oaktownoaktown Posts: 366


    << <i>Frank Thomas is a HOF'er on his own merit. No need to compare him to anyone else. >>

  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    He is a lock unless some sort of 'roids scandal comes out.
  • TomGshotputTomGshotput Posts: 1,358
    No

    Frank Thomas deserves to be in the Hall-of-Fame because he is a great player, not because of how he compares to drug users
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  • TJMACTJMAC Posts: 864 ✭✭
    I would be pretty surprised if Thomas is named. Though, I was also surprised by some names on the Mitchell report. That being said, I know Thomas has been critical of steroids and the shadow they caste over the game.

    Thomas is a no brainer for me, he meets both the benchmark numbers (500 homers) and was the dominant player in the game in the early 1990's.
  • ripkenintheminorsripkenintheminors Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Frank Thomas is a HOF'er on his own merit. No need to compare him to anyone else. >>



    Agreed. >>

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  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963
    thanks for the input.

    I agree, too.
  • kingraider75kingraider75 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭
    The Hall is now going to be very difficult. I guess we should go back to the All Star appearances type of thing. Was he the best at this position over his career type of discussion. Palmeiro was never really that great in any given year, he just kept going and going.
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  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    I'm not sure one correlates to the other. Thomas is in on his own merit.




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  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    The Hall of Fame becomes a slippery slope if you consider new candidates upon the basis of presently-elected, but very weak candidates.
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  • EstilEstil Posts: 7,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    500 HRs. Nuff said.
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  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963


    << <i>500 HRs. Nuff said. >>



    not no more.
  • EstilEstil Posts: 7,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not counting the 'roids guys I mean.
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  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963
    hopefully
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,580 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMO we might see a bunch of guys make the Hall now, especially after this Mitchell report. Hopefully guys like Hodges, Rice ect.. will get in now!
  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    500 is still a magic number for the Non Juicers. Frank Thomas, Jim Thome. they are LOCKS image
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Correct. The comments of the ESPN baseball nabobs notwithstanding, 500 is still a hallowed mark anyway. Most of the juicers are closer to or above 600 and they can clearly be seen - Bonds, Mac, Palmeiro, Suser, etc. - without reference to 500 HR's. Take those clowns away and all the rest above 500 deserve induction, as will Man Ram when he gets there next year.



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  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963


    << <i>Correct. The comments of the ESPN baseball nabobs notwithstanding, 500 is still a hallowed mark anyway. Most of the juicers are closer to or above 600 and they can clearly be seen - Bonds, Mac, Palmeiro, Suser, etc. - without reference to 500 HR's. Take those clowns away and all the rest above 500 deserve induction, as will Man Ram when he gets there next year.



    Ron >>



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  • and5zacand5zac Posts: 492
    I think Thomas is a lock if no surprises come up.Do you think a guy like Goose Gossage will get in even though he cusses the sports writers (I think deservedly so)when they dont vote for guys like him & Rice and Blyleven.
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  • Tedw9Tedw9 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭
    The whole steriod thing makes me appreciate what guys like Thomas have done over his career. He should be a lock for the HOF.


    Now imagine a healthy Ken Griffey Jr. over his whole career....his numbers would be incredible. Because of all this crap lately, I appreciate what Griffey did a whole lot more.
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  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963


    << <i>The whole steriod thing makes me appreciate what guys like Thomas have done over his career. He should be a lock for the HOF.


    Now imagine a healthy Ken Griffey Jr. over his whole career....his numbers would be incredible. Because of all this crap lately, I appreciate what Griffey did a whole lot more. >>



    so true. I respect both these guys. I remember following them on the Beckett "Hot List" when I was a kid. For like 2 years, Thomas was #1 and Griffey was #2.

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>IMO we might see a bunch of guys make the Hall now, especially after this Mitchell report. Hopefully guys like Hodges, Rice ect.. will get in now! >>


    How does Palmeiro & Roger Clemens being named as steroid users somehow make a borderline candidate from 40 years ago, like Gil Hodges, HOF-worthy? It's not like somebody being named as a roid user magically adds 75 HRs to Gil's total...

    Tabe
  • EstilEstil Posts: 7,199 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The whole steriod thing makes me appreciate what guys like Thomas have done over his career. He should be a lock for the HOF.

    Now imagine a healthy Ken Griffey Jr. over his whole career....his numbers would be incredible. Because of all this crap lately, I appreciate what Griffey did a whole lot more. >>



    The same could be said for Mickey Mantle. Didn't he too have problems with his legs or something during his career that had he not had them, could've been even greater?
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  • EstilEstil Posts: 7,199 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    so true. I respect both these guys. I remember following them on the Beckett "Hot List" when I was a kid. For like 2 years, Thomas was #1 and Griffey was #2.

    such a good time. >>



    Actually, Thomas was #1 Hot for 34 straight months.
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  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963


    << <i>

    << <i>
    so true. I respect both these guys. I remember following them on the Beckett "Hot List" when I was a kid. For like 2 years, Thomas was #1 and Griffey was #2.

    such a good time. >>



    Actually, Thomas was #1 Hot for 34 straight months. >>



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  • bigfischebigfische Posts: 2,252 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>IMO we might see a bunch of guys make the Hall now, especially after this Mitchell report. Hopefully guys like Hodges, Rice ect.. will get in now! >>


    How does Palmeiro & Roger Clemens being named as steroid users somehow make a borderline candidate from 40 years ago, like Gil Hodges, HOF-worthy? It's not like somebody being named as a roid user magically adds 75 HRs to Gil's total...

    Tabe >>




    i dont think it will help guys that have been on the block for a long itme much from that era. Its not like their stats have improved since they retired 30-40 years ago.
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