No, the picture isn't blurry; it's a tripled die obverse

IGWT

Just imagine if it were a Buffalo 5c!

STONE

Wow, that's quite a neat looking coin.

Thanks for posting

sparky64

Yes, the picture is blurry.
It is NOT a triple die obverse.

RichieURich

Cool, I can see the tripling on the annulet!

Cgb

Very neat!

FatMan

Very Cool.

droopyd

nice die cracks too

RichieURich

<< <i>Cool, I can see the tripling on the annulet! >>



Obviously, you folks are smart enough to know what the "annulet" is!

MrEureka

Lou - What's going on with the dentils on the reverse?

IGWT

Lou - What's going on with the dentils on the reverse?

The denticles are doubled, with the doubling most prominent near the dot at K-7.5. Hub IIc was used to produce a master die that was first used in 1869 and then used exclusively from 1871 until the end of the series in 1883. If it weren't for reverse design doubling on some 1870 coins -- dies hubbed with both IIa and IIc -- we could say that IIc was used exclusively beginning in 1870. Every coin with reverse IIc has doubled denticles. Is it the doubling that you see? (If you still have it, check out the picture of the 1870 that I sent to you a little while ago.)

Coxe

Yes, a very nice example of that one. Breen-2507, if memory serves me. Same as that S1-1000? I collected Shield varieties pasisonately years back. The finest one I could ever find of that variety got slabbed ANACS F15. Sold it a few years back in a Heritage FUN sale. howards would know probably, but I would not be surprised if that wasn't the finest known of that variety. Spectacular piece.

MrEureka

Every coin with reverse IIc has doubled denticles. Is it the doubling that you see?

Yes. Never noticed it before.

pharmer

That's my favorite of a series with some great doubling. Congrats on a fantastic example.

SkyMan

Fun looking coin.

IGWT

Yes, a very nice example of that one. Breen-2507, if memory serves me. Same as that S1-1000? I collected Shield varieties pasisonately years back. The finest one I could ever find of that variety got slabbed ANACS F15. Sold it a few years back in a Heritage FUN sale. howards would know probably, but I would not be surprised if that wasn't the finest known of that variety. Spectacular piece.

Yes. S1-1000 corresponds to Breen-2507 (and to FS-012, F-04, and 1-O-II+III) So many numbers . . . but Howard's attribution system works the best for me. I've had this coin for 2 to 3 years, and it's possibly the finest among a small group of known examples, although I'd call it a 65 instead of the 66 assigned by NGC. Sunnywood would likely know if the other one in a similar grade is nicer.

SDSportsFan

Beautiful coin!!!, but why is it that every time I see one of them, it looks like the front grill on one of those old cars?


Steve

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>Every coin with reverse IIc has doubled denticles. Is it the doubling that you see?

Yes. Never noticed it before. >>



For a fella that's seen so many coins... this is a profound statement, Andy. It's proof that no matter how smart anyone ever gets in the coin biz... one can never learn it all in a lifetime. This is one thing about the Coin World that always fascinates me, as a collector. The PCGS coin forum allows a lot of us guys to learn at the click of a mouse. It's almost unfair.

IGWT

Beautiful coin!!!, but why is it that every time I see one of them, it looks like the front grill on one of those old cars?

I realize that you might not intend your comment to be taken seriously, but it raises and interesting point, because Longacre's design sensibilities were ahead of his time! While Cornelius Vermeule criticizes Longacre's designs as "uniform in their dullness, lack of inspiration, and even quaintness" (ouch!), he makes an interesting observation, at least with respect to J-561. Describing the obverse of that pattern, Vermeule writes: "The total effect is a curious parallel to some of the hats created by milliners of fashion a century after Longacre sat down with his pad and pencil. The reverse [shows] a Victornian frame, of the type used for mirrors in the hallways and parlors of American homes [in the 1920s]." C. Vermeule, Numismatic Art in America, 50 & 61-62 (1971). The frame of the heraldic shield on the regular five-cent piece also pointed to the designs to come (for better or for worse), including the grills on fancy cars and the upscale furniture of the era.

IGWT

Alert! I just received a PM from Longacre informing me that RYK is moving heavily into the Shield 5c series.

Longacre

<< <i>Alert! I just received a PM from Longacre informing me that RYK is moving heavily into the Shield 5c series. >>



I would reccomend that coin for a sticker, and suggested to RYK that he only consider stickered coins, too.

Sunnywood

That gem quality tripled die nickel is an old friend from the Sunnywood Collection. The bulk of my Cherrypicker variety coins went to Dave Bowers - a nice tribute to my collecting efforts, as Dave is not generally a buyer of U.S. regular issue coinage, but he was fascinated by the variety coins in the group. However, for some of the varieties, I owned more than one specimen, and so it was with the 1876 TDO FS-012 (to use the old Cherrypicker designation), which I sold to IGWT. I'm glad it ended up in the hands of someone who really appreciates the shield nickel series !!!

After studying the numerous varieties in the shield nickel series, including broadly doubled and tripled dies such as the present example, one cannot help but find other some series less interesting !! The shield nickels offer numismatic fascination way beyond what one might imagine based solely on, say, a Redbook approach to the series.

P.S. IGWT, regarding your sigline quotation from Juvenal, that seems like the perfect retort to the questions about CAC ... someone has to keep an eye on the guards, I mean graders ...

Best,
Sunnywood

howards

Strangely enough, most of the specimens seen of this variety are fairly high grade. They are also mostly on planchets with defects of some sort.

Here's a closeup of the annulet: