1953-D/Inverted D?

leothelyon

Hi Everyone

I picked this up from my local dealer the other day for what caught my attention was the little protrusion on the back of the mm D. Note the bottom arrow. It wasn't until I took some pictures and blowing the thing up on the monitor did I notice what looks like another mm D north west and inverted. It's very faint under my 16X loupe. What do you think?





Leo

TexasNationals

Yes that is the 53 D/D Inverted or horizontal. Is is Unc, what do you think it will grade?? nice pick up, been looking for a while for one of those.

leothelyon

<< <i>Yes that is the 53 D/D Inverted or horizontal. Is is Unc, what do you think it will grade?? nice pick up, been looking for a while for one of those. >>



The coin is very clean and lustrous but has a medium strike. Depending on who's grading it, Ms64 to MS67. Because of the strike, I've given it a 64. I'm looking at some pics now.


Leo

NIckelCollector

Leo

Sure looks like a 53 D/D - nice find! I have purchased two of them - one in an ANACS holder the other in PCGS (not designated) both MS65. The ANACS holder says RPM#1 consistent with Wiley's RPM book.

Frank

leothelyon

Are we looking at the protrusion from the back of the primary D or the larger northwest faint D, if that's what it is? Or are both charactoristics apart of this variety? Also, for a 1953-D, the strike, alhough it's not full, is really nice.

Frank,
Check out my posts on the steps of 1960 to 1967. You have several of these dates. Do they have the same problems B. N. has described in his book?

Thanks,


Leo

leothelyon

Over the last two days, I've been able to confirm it's the 1953-D/InvertedD variety. The question that's haunting me now, just how many are there? I'm only aware of a handful of collectors that have them but there must be others. My example is an earlier die state than the two other coins we had for comparing. I also don't believe this variety will be found with a full relief strike and full steps. But of course, I'd like someone to prove me wrong. But then again, as the coin wears down to mush we'll start seeing the steps filling out in the coin and unfortunately, they'll get certified. Hopefully, the D/invertedD will be indistinguishable by then. All the mint marks from the 3 coins are shown.




I've also noticed a die marker for this variety in the form of a very thin die crack. It was almost impossible to photograph but very interesting to note when each of the die cracks took on the same exact pattern.



Leo

NIckelCollector

Leo

I will attempt to post some pictures later today or this weekend. The two coins I have show the same die crack.

Frank

ricko

Nice find.... congratulations.. Cheers, RickO

Type2

Good eye. Now I need to look for that one Thanks and Thanks.

leothelyon

I have a sneaking suspicion that we've just seen the tip of the iceberg and that 1953 will ultimately yield many more interesting varieties.
Ken Potter

And here's one for the Jefferson nickels! Interesting article by Ken Potter Does anyone know when this variety was discovered?


Leo

jfoot13

way to go Leo... don't you just love the feeling you get when you cherry something like that ... next thing to do is go back to the shop and see if the dealer is pulling his singles from roll stock in the back... if there is one in a roll chances are there are more ( then you can have a give away for your forum friends... )

congratulations

leothelyon

<< <i>Good eye. Now I need to look for that one Thanks and Thanks. >>



Thanks, but the interesting thing about this coin, I would not have checked for the variety unless the coin was really nice. I'm particular about that as I feel it's a waste of time looking at every coin. This one definitely caught my eye especially with the strike and luster. After verifying the condition, I would have bought the coin anyway as this date is very common with a mushy strike and full steps. Just who in the world would want coins like that is beyond me! But I got lucky and I was really hoping for something nice before the year end. Others have expressed an interest in this variety and there's a possibility of one coming up for sale. And I've also heard that this coin has been selling in the 2-$300 range for a MS64-65 example. For now, my coin is not for sale but one of the two that it was compare to may be. I don't know what it would take to pry that coin from MikeD's hands.



Leo

leothelyon

<< <i>way to go Leo... don't you just love the feeling you get when you cherry something like that ... next thing to do is go back to the shop and see if the dealer is pulling his singles from roll stock in the back... if there is one in a roll chances are there are more ( then you can have a give away for your forum friends... )

congratulations >>




Isn't that the norm? I almost slipped on my butt getting back to that shop. I actually called eariler in the week, they said it wasn't from a roll, alot of times they get collections of or quanities of coins that come in and that was a nice one so it went into the 2x2 counter catalog.


Leo

BigDowgie

Leo,
This was truly an awesome find! Of the 5 (counting yours) that I've seen, this is by far the best. It is an easy MS65, maybe MS66. Hang on to this one!
I do have an extra ANACS64 that I would be willing to part with. The holder has "RPM-1 LAMINATION" on it. You can see the mark on the temple. I'll post this over on the BST Forum for anyone interested.



Mike

stephunter

Where is that die crack? Is it next to the mint mark? Nice pick up.

pharmer

Does anyone have a clear image of it? Looks interesting.

leothelyon

NIckelCollector

Here is my 1st attempt to attach some pictures - 53d/d in a PCGS slab MS65. As you can see this coin has the same die crack Leo identified.



Here is the closeup of the mintmark.

coinkat

very nice examples

leothelyon

Very nice Frank! You're fastly learning the ends and outs of posting pictures. Good work. On another note, to keep in mind, I don't understand ANACS designation RPM-1! This date is an mintmark over a inverse mint mark or as TexasNationals has mentioned, a D/horizontalD but to just call it a RPM-1 does an injustice to this variety. The 1942-D/horizontalD, the 1946-D/InvertedD, the 1949-D/S all have signiture type names associated with those varieties but a RPM-1? What's that?


Leo

TexasNationals

Leo, I agree but wiles calls it RPM-1, which there is only one RPM i know of for this date according to Wiles, which is RPM-1, It is a D over D horizontal or some may say inverted D. Just the nature of the beast.

BigDowgie

Loen,
Technically it it a Repunched Mint Mark. One of the Ds just happens to be upside-down. The RPM-1 comes form the James Wiles Book of RPMs. This 1953-D/Inverted D is the first RPM discovered for the date/mint mark and listed in his work. The 1946-D/Inverted D is listed as RPM-2 in the Wiles Book. We need to work on PCGS to recognize this variety as a variety and not as a mint error. This means they would need to assign a new coin # to it and not just put an "E" in front of the current regular coin # on the holder. I'll report back on this after the FUN Show in Florida this week. Maybe with Frank's help we'll break'em down to see things our way! Don't hold your breath.
Mike

TexasNationals

Good luck until it gets a cherry pickers #, if it has one I would love to know about it.

NIckelCollector

Leo

I agree with Mike's post.

Frank

leothelyon

Everything everyone has added, makes good sense. Perhaps once the rarity factor is determined, the D/HorizD design. will catch on.

Jeff

Have you received your 1953-D/HozD?


Mike

I still think that 1947-D is a very nice coin! Full relief, MS65+ grade/condition and lustrous surfaces makes it a rare 3Q quality coin. Besides, I've added it to the websites!


Leo

TexasNationals

Leo I haven't gotten it yet, it shipped Monday, I think this is a inverted and horizontal D, I believe it is backwards and punched tilted, that as why I could go either way on inverted or horizontal.

Jeff

leothelyon

<< <i>Leo I haven't gotten it yet, it shipped Monday, I think this is a inverted and horizontal D, I believe it is backwards and punched tilted, that as why I could go either way on inverted or horizontal.

Jeff >>




Ah, then it's rotated! At least that's what I believe is up with a 1970-S I have. We'll post pics soon.


Leo

TexasNationals

Leo, I would love to see it!

Jeff

leothelyon

Here are two of the 3 coins that were compared for the RPM-1.











Leo

TexasNationals

Well, I got the coin, it appears to be a later die state and it is hard to get an image of it. Any opinions??

leothelyon

I can't say either way. Anything about a die crack?


Leo

NIckelCollector

Here is my other 53D/D in an ANACS MS65 RPM1 - die crack is very visible

BigDowgie

Frank,
Great job with the pictures! I'll need to take a few lessons. Nice meeting you at the FUN Show. No luck with PCGS on the 53-D/Inverted D designation. For now, hold on to those few pieces that have been discovered and those yet to be discovered! Keep looking!
Mike

NIckelCollector

Mike

Perhaps the way to go is to focus on getting the 53 D/D variety into the next Cherrypickers guide. If someone has the latest addtion of the Cherrypickers, I would guess there is a way to submit new varieties for consideration into the next volume?

Frank

BigDowgie

Frank,
Just looked through the Book, no reference on how to petition a new variety to be included. Maybe I could borrow a few of the awesome pictures from Leo and you and write a letter to Bill Fivaz and JT Stanton. This will at least be a start!
Mike

BigDowgie

I sent a letter to JT Stanton today! Let's see if he responds.
Mike

leothelyon

<< <i>Over the last two days, I've been able to confirm it's the 1953-D/InvertedD variety. The question that's haunting me now, just how many are there? I'm only aware of a handful of collectors that have them but there must be others. My example is an earlier die state than the two other coins we had for comparing. I also don't believe this variety will be found with a full relief strike and full steps. But of course, I'd like someone to prove me wrong. But then again, as the coin wears down to mush we'll start seeing the steps filling out in the coin and unfortunately, they'll get certified. Hopefully, the D/invertedD will be indistinguishable by then. All the mint marks from the 3 coins are shown.




I've also noticed a die marker for this variety in the form of a very thin die crack. It was almost impossible to photograph but very interesting to note when each of the die cracks took on the same exact pattern.



Leo >>



Here's an update from a good inside source ( and it was not me), this variety should have been included in the last puplished CPG. For some reason, it was overlooked but the good news is, we should see it in the next CPG. A letter has been sent to them in reference of this variety and may be followed up by another if we don't read a confirmation on the matter.
Other good news as reported to me from MikeD, the above coin has recently graded PCGS MS66! Not bad for a $1.50 purchase on a coin that may end up as rare as the 1942-D/HorzD and the 1946-D/InvertedD. Yes, the above coin is a 1953-D/HorzD.


Leo

leothelyon

Since I don't deserve a "you suck" award, here's a little additional info as what I have learned thus far. The 1942-D/HorzD was discovered in the late 1970's while the 1946-D/InvertedD came to light earlier in 1972. But now we have a 1953-D/HorzD of recent, here in 2007. I don't know when or who made the discovery but it seems to be a variety that took alot longer to discover then the previous two varieties.

Anyone with additional or correct info?


Leo

BigDowgie

Loen,
Checking back in the old book shelf, the 1953-D/D RPM#1 appears in Wexler's RPM Book, back in the first publication in 1983. There is still no mention of who discovered the first one. Maybe with this post, we can uncover who found the first example?
This one has been known about for a while, but has stayed fairly low key. My guess is, this one will be gaining quite a bit of popularity over the next few years. Due to its uniqueness, being a D / Inverted D, I personally feel it belongs in the Jefferson Set as of “Major Variety” right next to the 1942-D / Horizontal D and the 1946-D / Inverted D!
Mike

leothelyon

1983? Damn! That would explain why most Jefferson nickel collectors are idiots!

Seriously, since it's taking some time to educate the masses and it's likely that most don't have one and it's going to take some publishing in the CPG and hopefully gets added to a Registry Set and.............

...........didn't know how to finish that.



Leo