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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
If so can you look AT the reverse between the wreath and the O and C and tell if it looks like a swipe mark, also if you could look AT the obverse between the nose/chin and the united and see if it looks like swipe marks as well. Kinda does from the pictures.
Thanks
Ron
Hell if this coin is at, somebody took a nice strike to AT
Regardless it's still a pretty coin, and if you find the blue really bothers you, have some blue ribbon applied to it. And yes PCGS/NGC will slab coins that had blue ribbon applied to them.
<< <i>If you decide you don't like it anymore, please send it my way, I'll be happy to remove it from your sight.
Regardless it's still a pretty coin, and if you find the blue really bothers you, have some blue ribbon applied to it. And yes PCGS/NGC will slab coins that had blue ribbon applied to them. >>
And evidently they don't mind a little MS70 at times...
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Brian
cant wait to hear results of this post...
<< <i>I say ms70, a good chance. i dont like ms70 atall. atall. but a nice coin is a nice coin. those spots at 3:00 on the obv. are a lil bit of a giveaway.
cant wait to hear results of this post... >>
Am understanding you correctly, that.. You believe the carbon spots at 3:00 were created by the coin being ms70'd, hence that is your diagnostics for telling that it was MS70'd?
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<< <i>I say ms70, a good chance. i dont like ms70 atall. atall. but a nice coin is a nice coin. those spots at 3:00 on the obv. are a lil bit of a giveaway.
cant wait to hear results of this post... >>
Am understanding you correctly, that.. You believe the carbon spots at 3:00 were created by the coin being ms70'd, hence that is your diagnostics for telling that it was MS70'd? >>
No, I believe the flow away from the spots is evidence of liquid applied
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MS70 is superb when used correctly on BU silver, Morgans, and WarNicks . . . but absolutely NEVER try it on copper . . . you will get the purple.
Drunner
Any idea why?
<< <i>Seems like all the blue IHC's come from that era but not significantly earlier or later.
Any idea why? >>
I know that you now the history and details much better then I can remember. I do recall reading in few referances, that stated that the Proof IHC's from this particular era did not always sell out. The ones that did not sell out at the end of the year were purchased (If I recall the story correctly at face value, by the same invidual every year for quite a few years). These Proofs were stored in a type of tissue and environment for years that caused this type of toning. If I remeber correctly, when this collection was sold/auctioned/or whatever this type of toning allready existed on these coins.
Parts of the story that I wish I could remeber:
1. The original owner was?
2. The main individuals that recieved the coins next (For some reason I thought it was two individuals, but my memory is very foggy on this)?
3. When the original collection was broken up (For some reason the 1950's come to mind)?
4. What years did the original owner have access to horde these proof IHC's?
5. Was any other denominations also picked up by this individual?
I've said this in the past, that it is a shame that an individual(S) reproduced or brought out (Depending on which side of the fence one is on) this type of color on coins that previously did not show this color prior to using MS70 on the coin. Now any blue proof copper coin is automatically linked to MS70 by way too many of us. Those doctors hurt and tainted that segmant of the hobby very badly.
It's a shame because an orginal blue piece of proof copper has to be the one of the most gorgeous pieces of art in my opinion.
On another note
I'd love to here your opinions on purple colored MS IHC's, do believe that they can also be reproduced by an agent such as amonia? (If so is there a way to tell the differance between an orginal one and one that is not)
Do you believe that acetone can create a light pastel blueish tone to brown MS IHC's, (And once again if so how can one tell the differance)
Regards
Ron
cant wait to hear results of this post... >>
Am understanding you correctly, that.. You believe the carbon spots at 3:00 were created by the coin being ms70'd, hence that is your diagnostics >>>>
No it flows away fome them as arizonajack has stated...
We find ourselves in this situation: it's been proven that the blue toning can be produced with ms70. But if any are blue as a result of storage in these tissues you and others have mentioned, how do you prove that? You can't, and you are left needing to prove a negative to say they are not AT. "They have not been treated with ms70!" you say. "Prove it", they say. They gotcha. As you point out, they are all now tainted, all suspect.
The foremost coin doctor who produced so many of these was banned from here but posts a lot ATS, and brags about his work. He knows what he's done. Ironically, another person who is banned from here used to be on a crusade against blue copper, claiming it's all ms70 treated, and now makes nice with the doctor. Funny old world.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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"Sou Mangueira......."
<< <i>This coin imo is a late-term numismatic abortion which is deemed to be "market acceptable." To me, it's worth melt. People who were here when the original Blue PF IHC thread was on the boards know who these individuals are. >>
So as doctors continue to fool with coins it's only a matter of time until every type of toning imaginable will be able to be reproduced including crecent toned morgans. So will those coins only be worth melt to you as well?
JJ
Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies.
<< <i>"Now any blue proof copper coin is automatically linked to MS70 by way too many of us"
We find ourselves in this situation: it's been proven that the blue toning can be produced with ms70. But if any are blue as a result of storage in these tissues you and others have mentioned, how do you prove that? You can't, and you are left needing to prove a negative to say they are not AT. "They have not been treated with ms70!" you say. "Prove it", they say. They gotcha. As you point out, they are all now tainted, all suspect.
The foremost coin doctor who produced so many of these was banned from here but posts a lot ATS, and brags about his work. He knows what he's done. Ironically, another person who is banned from here used to be on a crusade against blue copper, claiming it's all ms70 treated, and now makes nice with the doctor. Funny old world. >>
Typical pharmer post. Now the real story, the other person as you can them did not know the coins were messed with and contacted all of his buyers when he found out. That is hardly making nice. Pharmer you can always be depended upon for either outrageous statements or half truths. I resent you trying to slander a great guy.
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