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achillesaeroachillesaero Posts: 81
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I went to coin show and bought a 1928 peace dollar that's been plated with gold,can the gold be removed without huring coin?image
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    sounds like a scam if it was said to be a 28-p under the gold-sorry as i do not have the answer thou in could the plating be removed in a no harmfull way thou
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are several ways to remove the gold...but all will affect the surface to some extent. One way is to coat the coin with mercury... gold and mercury have an affinity for each other... However, this will affect the surface... perhaps someone can recommend a process that has the most minimal effect.... Cheers, RickO
  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797 ✭

    I dont think there is anything that would remove it without having some effect on the silver, since its already plated,why not plate it with silver over the gold, it will re-tone in time and you no worse off then you are now..........
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭
    If I recall correctly from my early years in an electro plating shop, gold can be stripped using a cyanide solution. Unfortunately, the silver also suffers from this process.

    The plating itself could also be hiding some no no's such as a removed mintmark so I'd advise you to just leave it as it. Hopefully you didn't pay too high of a premium for your coin.
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  • coinman420coinman420 Posts: 4,666 ✭


    << <i>I dont think there is anything that would remove it without having some effect on the silver, since its already plated,why not plate it with silver over the gold, it will re-tone in time and you no worse off then you are now.......... >>




    this is the best advise because as others noted above stripping the gold will dull down the surfaces and you will have a harshly

    cleaned coin. silver plating it will leave you with an original looking "altered surfaces" coinimage


    edited to add: i work in a plating shop
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  • ProofArtworkonCircsProofArtworkonCircs Posts: 4,223 ✭
    Unfortunately, I would say anything that disolves gold will disolve silver even faster.
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,093 ✭✭✭
    I would try asking NCS if they can do anything.

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  • ABSilvercoinsABSilvercoins Posts: 309

    You might electroplate over the gold with silver, then artificially tone the coin. image
    //ab

  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615 ✭
    If you used it as the source of gold in gold electroplating it may work.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like a great pocket piece. The gold plating should wear off in a few months.

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you used it as the source of gold in gold electroplating it may work. >>



    Which is true but the coin would have to be immersed in a corrosive environment which would really screw thge silver up.

    There are many many different ways to electroplate something. Re-plating with silver may work but remember that prior to plating the coin would have to receive a degreasing to insure a consistent plate and a thorough cleaning in either an alkaline base solution or a mild acid dip. The latter two can really screw up a good piece.

    Your coin would come out with a nice silver plating if done correctly but it would be very obvious that it had been replated.
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    put in in your microwave!
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  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭
    A Bernz-O-Matic torch should melt the gold off easily. Different temps affect each metal separately and the gold will come off with no harm to the silver coin.

    I've seen it done with those idiotic plated State Quarters and you can't tell any difference in the quarter afterward. Doesn't take long at all, nor extremely high temps to accomplish this.

    No, don't hold it in your fingers while doing it. image
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    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • ahooka454ahooka454 Posts: 3,466 ✭
    perry,

    thats sounds like the least harmful way yet. i could see that wearing off. whats under though?
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A Bernz-O-Matic torch should melt the gold off easily. Different temps affect each metal separately and the gold will come off with no harm to the silver coin.

    I've seen it done with those idiotic plated State Quarters and you can't tell any difference in the quarter afterward. Doesn't take long at all, nor extremely high temps to accomplish this.

    No, don't hold it in your fingers while doing it. image >>



    I thought gold had a higher melting point than silver.




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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>perry,

    thats sounds like the least harmful way yet. i could see that wearing off. whats under though? >>



    Should look like normal wear on a silver coin.

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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    remember the surface was prepped before it was plated so don't expect to find anything nice under there even if you could get the gold off. -Jerry
  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797 ✭
    I'm a goldsmith by trade, to plate this with silver it has to be clean, it does not have to be stripped, just use a solution of warm water and believe it or not

    Dawn dish detergent (blue), then steam off any residue and dip in acetone...blow it dry.....then plate...........if you do not know a jeweler, I would be glad to do it for you at no

    charge.......

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  • PeacemanPeaceman Posts: 5,098
    Sounds like the gold was put on to hide the mint mark removal... Good luck
  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797 ✭

    30 some years ago when I was learning about plating for the first time ( mostly gold & rhodium) I was taught that the plating will only look as good as the item being plated,

    with that if there is a problem with the mint mark its still there, plating will not hide anything..............to a trained eye!
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  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>A Bernz-O-Matic torch should melt the gold off easily. Different temps affect each metal separately and the gold will come off with no harm to the silver coin.

    I've seen it done with those idiotic plated State Quarters and you can't tell any difference in the quarter afterward. Doesn't take long at all, nor extremely high temps to accomplish this.

    No, don't hold it in your fingers while doing it. image >>



    I thought gold had a higher melting point than silver. >>



    My bad. You are correct. Gold melts at 1948 F, while silver coins melt at 1615 F, .999 silver melts at 1761F.

    I was talking abut a state quarter which is a whole 'nother example. Faulty proposition on my part there.

    It would also depend on the actual composition of the gold plating and it might still be possible to remove the gold like that in a micron plate quickly without damaging the coin underneath.

    Might be a bit risky with a nice coin below it.
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    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • BXBOY143BXBOY143 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭
    um i would say re-dip the coin in silver?
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  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭


    << <i>um i would say re-dip the coin in silver? >>



    I think I'd return it to the seller as damaged goods.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just list it on Ebay... L@@K Rare GOLD TONED 1928 Peace Dollar!!!!!!
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭
    Where are all the bashers? Talking about replating a gold plated coin with silver and retoning it?

    No bashing...

    But if you dip a silver coin...

    You've stripped off its original skin....


    You've destroyed the coin's magic to take me on a time travel trip....


    God will punish you on Hell because He klnows what you did...


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  • YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220 ✭
    Spray paint it silver and put it on ebay to recoup your losses.

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