First of all, the motto didn't just appear so the "shooting for theocracy" doesn't hold unless you say they have been shooting since the Civil War. As for the others you mention, I guess the term "God" is a catch-all for any theistic belief.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
Almost every thread involving the placement of IGWT on coins ultimately turns into a debate on religion in general, and usually the mention of coins is just to keep it from being immediately bounced as OT.
If this was done midstream, wouldn't that be great. Quincy's with edge lettering and IGWT on obverse. Do you think the mint could do something dastardly like that....?
Ren >>
absolutely!
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
i'm surprised a group hasn't come out yet saying ...............IN A GOD WE TRUST on the coins
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
How about "In God we trust but some of us aren't quite sure and others are just selfish jerks that don't believe in anything but ourselves" Think we can fit it?
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
<< <i>How about "In God we trust but some of us aren't quite sure and others are just selfish jerks that don't believe in anything but ourselves" Think we can fit it? >>
It sounds like maybe you are calling Athiests "selfish jerks". I'll have to disagree there.
Every piece of circulating money in the USA has the motto "In God We Trust" on it. If 85% of the population believes in a God, whats wrong with having 15% (or less) of the currency in circulation display a less-obvious motto (or no motto at all) ?
I think the "selfish" act in all of this are the demands by some people that "In God We Trust" MUST be displayed prominently on EVERY coin and bill, in spite of what 15% of the population believes.
Personally, I have no problem with the motto. But I do think the impact of it has been diluted by over-use. I don't need to see it on every coin - just like I don't need to see it tatooed on everyone's forehead.
There might be one or two athiests that are not selfish. Sorry if you are one of them. I wish I knew how many self professed athiests give to charities WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, not taxpayers and how many give of their time to help others when there is NOTHING to gain for themselves. Maybe you could point to a few mega-milionare athiests who give but what would be the per capita average? I would bet very low.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
<< <i>There might be one or two athiests that are not selfish. Sorry if you are one of them. I wish I knew how many self professed athiests give to charities WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, not taxpayers and how many give of their time to help others when there is NOTHING to gain for themselves. Maybe you could point to a few mega-milionare athiests who give but what would be the per capita average? I would bet very low. >>
Three of the four greatest philanthropists in American history were atheists. Gates, Buffett, and Carnegie. John D. Rockefeller was the exception.
<< <i>How about "In God we trust but some of us aren't quite sure and others are just selfish jerks that don't believe in anything but ourselves" Think we can fit it? >>
Every piece of circulating money in the USA has the motto "In God We Trust" on it. If 85% of the population believes in a God, whats wrong with having 15% (or less) of the currency in circulation display a less-obvious motto (or no motto at all) ?
I think the "selfish" act in all of this are the demands by some people that "In God We Trust" MUST be displayed prominently on EVERY coin and bill, in spite of what 15% of the population believes.
Does that mean in 10 years (random timeline) we should have "In Allah we Trust" on 10% of our coins so that we don't "offend" a certain growing population?
One needs to study why and what caused IGWT to first appear in 1864. It was an increase of religious sentiment during the Civil War (aka War between the States) to recognize the Deity on U.S. coins. It took several years for that to be accomplished. The country was falling apart and many devoutees feared America had lost its way while fighting amongst themselves. Maybe this was a religious reminder from US gov't to have its people unite under God(?)
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If this was done midstream, wouldn't that be great. Quincy's with edge lettering and IGWT on obverse. Do you think the mint could do something dastardly like that....?
Ren >>
absolutely!
i'm surprised a group hasn't come out yet saying ...............IN A GOD WE TRUST on the coins
Think we can fit it?
<< <i>i'm surprised a group hasn't come out yet saying ...............IN A GOD WE TRUST on the coins
How about "IN A GOD A DAVIDA" instead?
<< <i>How about "In God we trust but some of us aren't quite sure and others are just selfish jerks that don't believe in anything but ourselves"
Think we can fit it? >>
It sounds like maybe you are calling Athiests "selfish jerks". I'll have to disagree there.
Every piece of circulating money in the USA has the motto "In God We Trust" on it. If 85% of the population believes in a God, whats wrong with having 15% (or less) of the currency in circulation display a less-obvious motto (or no motto at all) ?
I think the "selfish" act in all of this are the demands by some people that "In God We Trust" MUST be displayed prominently on EVERY coin and bill, in spite of what 15% of the population believes.
Personally, I have no problem with the motto. But I do think the impact of it has been diluted by over-use. I don't need to see it on every coin - just like I don't need to see it tatooed on everyone's forehead.
<< <i>There might be one or two athiests that are not selfish. Sorry if you are one of them. I wish I knew how many self professed athiests give to charities WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, not taxpayers and how many give of their time to help others when there is NOTHING to gain for themselves. Maybe you could point to a few mega-milionare athiests who give but what would be the per capita average? I would bet very low. >>
Three of the four greatest philanthropists in American history were atheists. Gates, Buffett, and Carnegie. John D. Rockefeller was the exception.
Just thought I'd add some facts to this thread.
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<< <i>How about "In God we trust but some of us aren't quite sure and others are just selfish jerks that don't believe in anything but ourselves"
Think we can fit it? >>
Every piece of circulating money in the USA has the motto "In God We Trust" on it. If 85% of the population believes in a God, whats wrong with having 15% (or less) of the currency in circulation display a less-obvious motto (or no motto at all) ?
I think the "selfish" act in all of this are the demands by some people that "In God We Trust" MUST be displayed prominently on EVERY coin and bill, in spite of what 15% of the population believes.
Does that mean in 10 years (random timeline) we should have "In Allah we Trust" on 10% of our coins so that we don't "offend" a certain growing population?
One needs to study why and what caused IGWT to first appear in 1864. It was an increase of religious sentiment during the Civil War (aka War between the States) to recognize the Deity on U.S. coins. It took several years for that to be accomplished. The country was falling apart and many devoutees feared America had lost its way while fighting amongst themselves. Maybe this was a religious reminder from US gov't to have its people unite under God(?)
Ren
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... and a coin collector.