Is this 1972 Ike a type 2? edit: PCGS label says type 1..HOW?

fivecents

Sorry I couldn't resist.

commoncents05

Well, I don't see any islands.

-Paul

fivecents

<< <i>Well, I don't see any islands. >>

It must be the fog.

jimmymac

interesting coin - have a Kennedy like that - and its in a PCGS slab - what did they grade it?? - no matter how worn a coin is, to me they still have a certain quality and character - fog?

fivecents

<< <i>what did they grade it?? >>

I was robbed.....PCGS overgraded it as a FA02. And I thought ownership added a point. In this case ownership subtracts a point.

renman95

Yes, obverse marker is Ike's pointy nose.

Ren

fivecents

I don't understand how PCGS figured this was a Type 1. Are there some other markers other than the islands that are a tell for it being a type 1?

Prethen

Why did this not get the PO1 grade?

MadMarty

No Braddick money for you!!!

19Lyds

No. Its not a Type 2!

The islands are not the only tell-tale signs of a Type 2 reverse. There are also some obverse markers to look for. Weak L and I on Liberty is one I check for.

For the reverse, the islands are the biggest factor along with the shape of Florida but your coin is so badly worn, it could have been literally any reverse type! Except of course, the BiCentennial reverses.

As for the grade, I donlt have a clue as to why it's not a POC I mean PO-01!

I think maybe the digit 2 is a little too clear to merit the coveted PO-01. Maybe you should have left it in the rock tumbler a little longer!

homerunhall

A very cool coin...can I buy it?????

dbldie55

I am pretty sure they defaulted to Type 1 (when they started to denote the 3 types, all existing holdered coins were considered type 1 until re-submitted for attribution)

fivecents

<< <i>A very cool coin...can I buy it????? >>

Sure. Make me an offer David.

57loaded

......that coin really circulated in our monetary system that much?

that is why you did not get the PO-1...

sinin1

there are crater locations in the craters as well for type identification


not sure what can be seen below the eagles claws

19Lyds

No fair David!

fivecents

<< <i>Maybe you should have left it in the rock tumbler a little longer! >>

Strong words calling me a coin doctor.





<< <i>......that coin really circulated in our monetary system that much? >>

I have to figure it was a pocket peice and carried for years and years for some reason or another.
I was in a local B&M coin shop when a very elderly lady of color walked in wanting to sell some coins. Being a good customer I moved to a different area of the store ( as I always do) and let the dealer and the lady conduct business. She ended up selling him the coins which were common junk silver and about 5 clad Ike dollars. This group of Ikes were very worn. I had to figure her husband must have keep these in his pockets for years.....a real Ike fan I guess. I sent four coins off to PCGS and received these grades....FA02, AG03, GO04, VG08. All the coins have a great patina also.

Gandyjai

PLEASE notice the deep marks between the Eagle's feet. These (2) areas lie WELL BELOW the field.
It was a well-worn Ike like this, that led to the defining marks of the clashed die "Talon Heads"

Before,...The marks had been called "hair curls" and were attributed to "feathers on the Eagle's leg".

This well-worn Ike is a PERFECT example of what leaves the clash marks on Ike's temple area.

It is amazing to me that these places between the Eagle's legs are SO FAR below the level of the field.
Thus, the are the HIGHEST points on the dies and what leaves these "Talon Head" clash marks.

Brian

I Love Variety and Error Ikes!

Boothill40

Here's his cousin from Denver coming in at a G06

19Lyds

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<< <i>Maybe you should have left it in the rock tumbler a little longer! >>

Strong words calling me a coin doctor.





<< <i>......that coin really circulated in our monetary system that much? >>

I have to figure it was a pocket peice and carried for years and years for some reason or another.
I was in a local B&M coin shop when a very elderly lady of color walked in wanting to sell some coins. Being a good customer I moved to a different area of the store ( as I always do) and let the dealer and the lady conduct business. She ended up selling him the coins which were common junk silver and about 5 clad Ike dollars. This group of Ikes were very worn. I had to figure her husband must have keep these in his pockets for years.....a real Ike fan I guess. I sent four coins off to PCGS and received these grades....FA02, AG03, GO04, VG08. All the coins have a great patina also. >>



I was just joking with ya!

homerunhall

looks like a $100 coin to me...

hrh

that's an offer.

ProofArtworkonCircs

That is a very interesting question. And I think whether or not it is a type 1 is solveable.

The odds would favor it being a type 3 since the mintage was 44.8 million versus 31.1 million for type 1 ignoring the unknown but very small type 2 mintage. The odds are highly against a ramdom dollar being a type 2.

Yet, in this case I vote for type 1. My reasoning is that type 1 is the only low relief reverse. On the coin in question the underside of the Ike's chin and the truncation of his neck shows up stronger than the top of the eagle's head. I think the eagle's head would have been stronger if it were a type 2 or type 3.

Somebody should start using type 1 and type 3 for pocket pieces and see for sure what the wear pattern. Any volunteers?

19Lyds

<< <i>Somebody should start using type 1 and type 3 for pocket pieces and see for sure what the wear pattern. Any volunteers? >>



I've got a Type 2 in my pocket right now and its not looking good. I've been carrying it for a couple of months and it actually looks better now than when it went in!

I'm afraid I won't live long enough before it starts showing any appreciable wear though.

bushmaster8

Great observation about the "talon head" hammers Gandyjai!

ProofArtworkonCircs

Actually Boothill40's 1972D Ike would be a type 1. Now does his reverse look like the other one? I think so.

seatedcoins

Do any of you have a good link to a website that clearly shows the markers for the different types. I used to have one, but no longer have it.

Tyler1924S

<< <i>......that coin really circulated in our monetary system that much? >>




I'm sure it spent some time in Vegas. They were used in casinos until 1979.



Edited to add: Also, I believe they could still be used for some time after that in slot machines that would accept both tokens (which most casinos had started to re-issue) and dollar coins. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.

segoja

Wow HRH paying more for a FR02 than a MS64

I know that Ikes have made it now!!!!

ProofArtworkonCircs

I would say no. Although I did my part. I spent 10 a week for tolls and 40 a week for groceries plus miscellaneous purchase. Nobody ever gave me one in change. The strange thing is that on the initial release, I got a bunch of them and showed them around. Several people told me - "Oh, I just got one in change at the supermarket." I don't undertstand this till this day.

19Lyds

<< <i>Do any of you have a good link to a website that clearly shows the markers for the different types. I used to have one, but no longer have it. >>

ModernDollarNut

<< <i>That is a very interesting question. And I think whether or not it is a type 1 is solveable.

The odds would favor it being a type 3 since the mintage was 44.8 million versus 31.1 million for type 1 ignoring the unknown but very small type 2 mintage. The odds are highly against a ramdom dollar being a type 2.

Yet, in this case I vote for type 1. My reasoning is that type 1 is the only low relief reverse. On the coin in question the underside of the Ike's chin and the truncation of his neck shows up stronger than the top of the eagle's head. I think the eagle's head would have been stronger if it were a type 2 or type 3.

Somebody should start using type 1 and type 3 for pocket pieces and see for sure what the wear pattern. Any volunteers? >>




Brilliant thinking, just brilliant! and right on IMHO. Rob

fivecents

<< <i>looks like a $100 coin to me... >>


I'll pass at $100. Thanks for the offer David.






<< <i>Wow HRH paying more for a FR02 than a MS64 >>

Maybe David Hall wants it for the PCGS grading set or the PCGS photograde. Call me weird, but I wouldn't even dream of parting with this OVERGRADED PCGS FA02 Ike for $100. It WILL eventually land in the coveted PCGS PO01 holder. I have only submitted this coin one time.

Tyler1924S

ttt

sinin1

can you give us a closeup of the earth?


if you still have coin that is

itsnotjustme

If you submit it for grade review, and it goes down, does PCGS owe you money?