Big Papi, not sure, huh? LOL
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My gut feeling is Big Papi and Johnny Damon might have have been on steroids when the Red Sox won the World Series in 2004. 
Damon is starting to break down and there are plenty of rumors in the press that Big Papi was on steroids and his production numbers went up substantially when he went from Minnesota to the Red Sox. In fact I heard the other day on the news that some of Ortiz's former Twins team mates thought Big Papi would be on the report. Here is another article from May 8, 2007:
Report: Ortiz not sure if he took steroids
"Ortiz told the Boston Herald that he could not say definitively if he had ever used performance-enhancing drugs in the past. The burly designated hitter also said that if he did, it happened when he was much younger."
Not sure, huh? LOL
The only reason the Yankees got hit hard is the guys selling the roids happened to work in NY clubhouses. I don't care what Mitchell says. I think he is a biased. After all he is part owner of the Red Sox.
George J. Mitchell
"The fact that Selig would choose Mitchell to head this investigation despite his obvious conflict of interest is further evidence of the ineptitude with which MLB has handled the entire steroid issue from day one."
This report accomplishes nothing. It was supposed to provide a comprehensive account of steroid use in baseball, but Mitchell lacked subpoena power and all but one or two players refused to cooperate. So what we get instead is a smattering of anecdotal evidence, most of which is a rehash of material previously made public. What have we learned from this exercise that is of any real value in understanding the issue?"
I wouldn't be surprised if 60-70% of the players were on roids or HGH at some point. I believe that somewhere down the line some players will start snitching on other players. Also, I think more congressional subpoenas are coming (like when McGwire and Rafael Palmeiro testified pre-Mitchell report) and Pettitte might have to testify against Clemens.Congress always likes to get in the act.
Canseco said he was surprised that A-Rod was not on the report. I don't believe everything Canseco says, but he was right about many other players so it might be true.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Clemens now that Pettitte has admitted to using HGH. He just threw his pal Roger Clemens under the bus. Pettitte has always been one of my favorite Yankee players and I am disappointed but at the same time at least he was man enough to admit it. Pettitte might be telling the truth that he only used them a few days when recovering from his injury.
Linky
I am not sure if I want Clemens in the Hall of Fame.
Damon is starting to break down and there are plenty of rumors in the press that Big Papi was on steroids and his production numbers went up substantially when he went from Minnesota to the Red Sox. In fact I heard the other day on the news that some of Ortiz's former Twins team mates thought Big Papi would be on the report. Here is another article from May 8, 2007:Report: Ortiz not sure if he took steroids
"Ortiz told the Boston Herald that he could not say definitively if he had ever used performance-enhancing drugs in the past. The burly designated hitter also said that if he did, it happened when he was much younger."
Not sure, huh? LOL
The only reason the Yankees got hit hard is the guys selling the roids happened to work in NY clubhouses. I don't care what Mitchell says. I think he is a biased. After all he is part owner of the Red Sox.
George J. Mitchell
"The fact that Selig would choose Mitchell to head this investigation despite his obvious conflict of interest is further evidence of the ineptitude with which MLB has handled the entire steroid issue from day one."
This report accomplishes nothing. It was supposed to provide a comprehensive account of steroid use in baseball, but Mitchell lacked subpoena power and all but one or two players refused to cooperate. So what we get instead is a smattering of anecdotal evidence, most of which is a rehash of material previously made public. What have we learned from this exercise that is of any real value in understanding the issue?"
I wouldn't be surprised if 60-70% of the players were on roids or HGH at some point. I believe that somewhere down the line some players will start snitching on other players. Also, I think more congressional subpoenas are coming (like when McGwire and Rafael Palmeiro testified pre-Mitchell report) and Pettitte might have to testify against Clemens.Congress always likes to get in the act.
Canseco said he was surprised that A-Rod was not on the report. I don't believe everything Canseco says, but he was right about many other players so it might be true.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Clemens now that Pettitte has admitted to using HGH. He just threw his pal Roger Clemens under the bus. Pettitte has always been one of my favorite Yankee players and I am disappointed but at the same time at least he was man enough to admit it. Pettitte might be telling the truth that he only used them a few days when recovering from his injury.
Linky
I am not sure if I want Clemens in the Hall of Fame.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
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That being said, I think we should avoid rush to judgment without direct proof, and innocent until proven guilty.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Steve
<<Maybe because not everyone did it?>>
You have been here long enough to know multi-banned boy will argue just for the sake of arguing.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Any baseball player or anyone in any other profession may or may not be a drug user. But to use Ortiz performance as a judge seems pretty stupid. He was hitting 30 homeruns in the minors at 21, Minnesota simply refused to give him at bats. In Boston the biggest increase in his offense came from K/BB ratio, not rate of homeruns. Maybe drugs could help there, who knows?
As for Damon, between Kansas City, Boston, New York, his production has been amazingly consistent with absolutely no standout fluctuations in production. Careers like that are extremely rare, but hard to see how that would lead someone to believe in drug use
Remember, convctions, admissions, failed tests should be the best criteria for believing someone has been using drugs. The Mitchell report went one step further to investigate eye witness accusations, purchase orders and such things. Short of that guessing who has or has not used drugs is always stupid
Wake up bud! Who is the stupid one? Ortiz can't even remember if he took steroids. Yeah, right. I have a bridge I want to sell you in Brooklyn
Report: Ortiz not sure if he took steroids
"Ortiz told the Boston Herald that he could not say definitively if he had ever used performance-enhancing drugs in the past. The burly designated hitter also said that if he did, it happened when he was much younger."
Let's face it, your 2004 Championship may be tainted too.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
So, for a whopping 20 million you get a small slice of the whole picture.
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If a reporter asks a baseball player if they used drugs and there answer is "I don't know," that should not constitute a news story? Even if Ortiz is the biggest drug user in history the article was still extremely poor journalism. . .
And even if Ortiz is the biggest drug user in history the 2004 World Series would belong to the Red Sox, not me. . .
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."