(: newps - Large Cents and Help Please! :)

SpaceMonkey

Today I picked up these 2 Large Cents... Nothing special... but were inexpensive and I bought them really to show and ask the following questions...

for the 1807... not really part of the real question but... thoughts? That hit at the top right OBV.. .is that post damage or as struck? I know it's low grade but it is my first and it is nice to just hold.

for the 1845...

I often run across these with this look... some color and a little glossy looking... is this a lacquered coin? if not please help me understand this series because I see these often and many have some wonderful colors... but I tend to pass on them because I feel they might not be totally original. This is most defiantly not my series... but I do like them and like having a few.

any thoughts are appreciated.

-sm

SpaceMonkey

boy this post sank faster than the Jefferson Spouse Gold Prices!

/ed

rays

Both pieces appear re-colored to me.
The 1807 I would grade AG-03 details net AG-03 and the 1845 Fine-12 details net VG8 for cleaning and re-coloring.

jmski52

The mark is post-mint damage on the 1807. Appealing coin, in spite of being messed with. The 1845 does look to be chemically-treated, and probably not laquered. The old Large Cents have a certain amount of charm, don't they?

SpaceMonkey

<< <i>The mark is post-mint damage on the 1807. Appealing coin, in spite of being messed with. The 1845 does look to be chemically-treated, and probably not laquered. The old Large Cents have a certain amount of charm, don't they? >>



they do have charm... and weight... that's why i like them i guess... nice and heavy in the hand... and they keep their detail pretty good even down in the G - VG grades... i am just having a hard time knowing original color with these... my gut tells me anytime i see color in Fine down that something is probably not right... i hope/wish i am wrong because there are some nice ones i have seen and would not mind owning once i figure this out.

-sm

sumnom

The 1807 is really nice. Sure, it's been around the block a few thousand times, but I like it.

The 1845 is certainly of a peculiar color. Even so, who can resist the chunky thickness of a large cent?

Cam40

look at old copper lincolns in change for what is `original color`
it really isnt any different for large cents. the reason so many large
cents have weird colors is because they,ve been messed with with
various cleaning solutions.

SpaceMonkey

<< <i>look at old copper lincolns in change for what is `original color`
it really isnt any different for large cents. the reason so many large
cents have weird colors is because they,ve been messed with with
various cleaning solutions. >>




so really they should be pretty much all brown if circ? that would certainly make sense.

/ed

1798CentCollector

S-M

Post mint damage on the 1807. Both coins have been "cleaned" and recolored. Looks like a fingerprint on the 1807.I'd agree with rays on the grades. As to color, and quality, you can find variations in planchet quality - anything from very dark brown/black to brown large cent planchets. The planchets were not always of good quality and often suffered environmental abuse in storage and in their journey to the mint. However, they won't look like the ones posted and "color" variations typically should be more natural and uniform.

SpaceMonkey

lot's of good info... thanks very much... I feel good now because everything I am reading is what makes sense to me... it's just that i have found that most looks this way and now i know why... most HAVE been messed with... but for a few bucks here and there... It's a great learning tool. Thanks everyone for your insight.

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Walkerguy21D

If you can make it to any of the bigger coin shows, seek out dealers like Tom Reynolds, Butternut Coin, Doug Bird, and Chris McAwly. You can see what lots of nice original large cents are supposed to look like, in a wide range of grades. And remember that the large cents with good detail, no problems, and nice surfaces have never been cheap, and won't be cheap when you come across them. At which point you may have to learn to compromise, or just do with fewer but nicer coins.
Enjoy the journey!
Greg

gecko109

Since we are talking large cents, any opinions on these dogs?

rays

<< <i>Since we are talking large cents, any opinions on these dogs? >>



The 1807: Fine 15 details, net F-12 for (mild) pitting, still an attractive coin for a dog
The 1852: 40 details, nice color, net 30 for the cuts on the obv and reverse. There is a touch of (green) verdigris on the reverse lettering

gecko109

Yeah, the 1852 looks like she just took a kick to the head. As faor the verdigres, is that a contaminent that needs to be removed (like pvc)? Or should I treat it like regular old dirt, and leave it alone?

Walkerguy21D

<< <i>As faor the verdigres, is that a contaminent that needs to be removed (like pvc)? Or should I treat it like regular old dirt, and leave it alone? >>


A light touch of Blue Ribbon, if you can find some, will probably remove it. Although it is slight, and it may not be worth the bother on that particular piece.
Greg