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Do you find this MS67 Liberty $20 attractive?

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1857-S in upcoming FUN sale.

I don't care for the toning, but am wondering what others think.

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  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856 ✭
    That's a beauty. Don't mind the toning at all.
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I like a little toning on gold.
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm still amazed that a coin could be underwater in the ocean for 150 years and come out looking even close to MS-67. If I could afford it, I would buy it in a heartbeat, even if just for the history of the coin...I've always wanted a Central America coin, and that one would be great!
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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    it's cleaned

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I cannot tell from the image. I had viewed quite a bit of SSCA gold. Some looks great, and some has turned in the holder and needs to be reconserved.
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  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615 ✭
    Its beautiful. An MS67 20 Lib, now that is a coin to own.
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    I like it, and would put a sticker on it to boot.
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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭
    The toning does nothing for me either way. But the mark free fields make me drool like my 7 month old son who is teething!
  • SmallEagleSmallEagle Posts: 736


    << <i>The toning does nothing for me either way. But the mark free fields make me drool like my 7 month old son who is teething! >>



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  • BBNBBN Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭
    I love the color. How much does everything think this will finish when the hammer falls?

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with RYK - it seems a few of those coins have turned in the holder. What would concern me is whether or not it's truly toning, or a more accelerated reaction from either the sea contaminants or conservation chemicals. Also, note the population of 0/0 at PCGS - this is a newly 'made' coin.
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Not sure, I don'y like my gold too shiny. I like it when there is a bit of red/brown copper toning to darken it a bit.
  • SmallEagleSmallEagle Posts: 736


    << <i>Also, note the population of 0/0 at PCGS - this is a newly 'made' coin. >>



    Actually that's a misprint. There are 11 "grading events" of MS67 at PCGS.

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  • ChuckCChuckC Posts: 1,600
    No way the surfaces are original, right? Thing was underwater!
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Also, note the population of 0/0 at PCGS - this is a newly 'made' coin. >>



    Actually that's a misprint. There are 11 "grading events" of MS67 at PCGS. >>



    Ahhh. Good to know - I'd hate to bid on a coin thinking it was 1/0 when it actually was 11/0! image
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wow what a coin, and those zoom pics are sweet !!!
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  • SmallEagleSmallEagle Posts: 736


    << <i>Ahhh. Good to know - I'd hate to bid on a coin thinking it was 1/0 when it actually was 11/0! >>



    Yeah, I doubt that would be actionable. image

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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    I like it--and I love the history of the SSCA coins too. It actually looks like a PQ 67 IMO
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Also, note the population of 0/0 at PCGS - this is a newly 'made' coin. >>



    Actually that's a misprint. There are 11 "grading events" of MS67 at PCGS. >>



    Ahhh. Good to know - I'd hate to bid on a coin thinking it was 1/0 when it actually was 11/0! image >>



    I took the '0/0' to mean that there are non graded 67 at PCGS in regular holders, however there are some graded in 'Cental America' holders.

    Either way, from the pics that coin looks gorgeous to me because of the mark free fields. The toning does not sway me either way but i'd hate to have it turn on me in the future. Does anyone know if 'Central America' slabs have the same garuntees toward turning in their holders that regular slabs do?

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about if we look at the question from another perspective.

    Will this 1857-S $20 in PCGS MS-67 be right as a companion to my 1875-S $20 of the same PCGS grade?

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Will this 1857-S $20 in PCGS MS-67 be right as a companion to my 1875-S $20 of the same PCGS grade?

    Good looking coin Oreville image

    Just hope your not Dyslexic if you bid on the other?

    As then your going to be clueless if your looking at the MS67 57-s or the 75-s? image
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Broadstruck:

    This 1857-S $20 needs to be examined in person. It does not look good in the picture. It looks almost devoid of "flash" and the toning looks very strange.

    When all of the 1857-S $20 were conserved before being slabbed by PCGS they all had the "brand new bright gold" coloration and essentially tone-free.

    I do not recall any of the original 11 PCGS MS-67's having this look.



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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did I kill this thread?
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  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461 ✭


    << <i>Did I kill this thread? >>



    NO--you ransacked the thread with a very good reply.
    Excellent remark !!
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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    Personally I would not kick her out of bed for spilling cracker crumbs and smoked oyster pieces. IMHO image
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  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461 ✭


    << <i>Personally I would not kick her out of bed for spilling cracker crumbs and smoked oyster pieces. IMHO image >>



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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Personally I would not kick her out of bed for spilling cracker crumbs and smoked oyster pieces. IMHO image >>



    Thats ma boy >>




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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    based on the pics i would rather have the 1875-S by far.

    the heritage pics are not doing anything for me. something looks
    wrong with the coin. no flash is a great way to explain it.

    a ms67 should not have a muted look.
  • Sunshine Rare CoinsSunshine Rare Coins Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fc, the 1875 S is a amazing coin, but it is also extremely expensive. PCGS price guide in 66 is 175,000! An 67 could be worth over a quarter of a million dollars!
    The 57S is worth around 100,000, but which one would you rather have for the price?

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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    Fc, the 1875 S is a amazing coin, but it is also extremely expensive. PCGS price guide in 66 is 175,000! An 67 could be worth over a quarter of a million dollars!

    sure. i read the small blurb on heritage. it appears the 57S has 11 67s and the rest of the type I/II series has only a small
    number of 67s for the rest of that type. Of course it will be rare and expensive as sin ;0)

    The 57S is worth around 100,000, but which one would you rather have for the price?

    I would not want a 67 type I/II double eagle unless it was all there. it should have pop, zing, and flash!
    I would simply go without if i was able to afford a 100,000 dollar coin and it was not all there.

    I would then revert to what I already do now in much smaller cases and chase down the finest 66 i could find.
    Must be nice having a finest known but it is not necessary to me to do that. I am happy with a nice looking lower
    grade example.
  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have read that grading is different for gold but I would not have seen this one at a 67. On the Reverse there is a larger mark in the field at about 3 o'Clock, smaller marks at about 5 o'Clock, and a scratch under the A of America. This with the lack of color make me think that 67 was generous.

    I like the coin but more at a 66. But that is just my opinion and being that I don't own any old gold it is an uneducated opinion at that!
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Fc, the 1875 S is a amazing coin, but it is also extremely expensive. PCGS price guide in 66 is 175,000! An 67 could be worth over a quarter of a million dollars!
    The 57S is worth around 100,000, but which one would you rather have for the price? >>



    You can hardly 'compare prices' on a seasalvaged Type I hoard coin to a pop 1/0 for the entire type Type II double eagle.
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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    Type II double eagle.

    ah, thanks for correcting me. let me edit my post above.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, very attractive. But a $55,000 opening bid? Wow, that's high.
    Since it really is not a rare piece, with over 4000 MS specimens and
    11 in MS67 at PCGS, I don't see how the value is there. Oh, I know
    the argument about the lofty grade and salvaged and unique. But,
    it's not unique. Just my opinion. Keep us informed as to the final
    bid plus juice.
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  • MesquiteMesquite Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭
    That coin is not worth the $$$ it will bring at this auction, IMHO. The reason I say this is that it's purchase will likely limit any mortal's ability to buy anything else. You can finance an outstanding "box of 20" for the price that coin coin will bring. In addition, I think we've heard the suggestion that the coin's surface look is unstable. The coin has been out of the water for ~10 years? No one knows what it is going to look like in another 10 or 20 years. No, even if I had the means, I would not bite. There are simply too many other gems out there that I would rather own. I'll take one of those coins in MS64 and finance the purchase of other coins with the difference.
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    come to me !!!! wow
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ultrahighrelief was making a different point by mentioning the pricing of the 1875-S $20 by stating the following:

    <<<<<< Fc, the 1875 S is a amazing coin, but it is also extremely expensive. PCGS price guide in 66 is 175,000! An 67 could be worth over a quarter of a million dollars! >>>>>>>

    What I do not understand is for the 1875-S date how could PCGS have a price attached to a MS-66 grade of $175,000???????

    PCGS nor NGC has never graded a single coin MS-66 for the 1875-S date, let alone for the ENTIRE TYPE II !!

    Furthermore, PCGS has never graded a single 1875-S as MS-65 so how could PCGS assign a value to it as well?

    Hypothetical valuations????????????????????????


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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sea salvaged gold has a "look" to it and this 1857-S is typical of it. I'm guessing that the "look" is caused by the reaction of the sea water with the copper content of the coin.

    Do I like the "look?" Not really.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1875-s is an amazing coin... I'll pass on the 1857-s.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Setting aside the price tags for the moment, both the 57-S And 75-S are gorgeous. If I wanted an SSCA coin, I'd probably get a lower grade for two reasons. First, I don't have 90 large to drop on, well, anything. Second, there are probably plenty of gorgeous 66s of this date out there that can be cherrypicked for quality for a fraction of the money, affording one the chance to put the rest into a coin that is truly rare and not a hoard coin.
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  • ahooka454ahooka454 Posts: 3,466 ✭
    i love it. the price is outta my league, but man thats a nice piece of treasure...


    i love stuff like this.
  • Sunshine Rare CoinsSunshine Rare Coins Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Ultrahighrelief was making a different point by mentioning the pricing of the 1875-S $20 by stating the following:

    <<<<<< Fc, the 1875 S is a amazing coin, but it is also extremely expensive. PCGS price guide in 66 is 175,000! An 67 could be worth over a quarter of a million dollars! >>>>>>>

    What I do not understand is for the 1875-S date how could PCGS have a price attached to a MS-66 grade of $175,000???????

    PCGS nor NGC has never graded a single coin MS-66 for the 1875-S date, let alone for the ENTIRE TYPE II !!

    Furthermore, PCGS has never graded a single 1875-S as MS-65 so how could PCGS assign a value to it as well?

    Hypothetical valuations???????????????????????? >>



    Oreville - I don't know about you, but if i owned your 1875 S, I would be sitting very pretty on the value of that coin. It is a winner!!!!

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