BU, or just another pretty slider?

gecko109

Opinions are welcome! Coin absolutely booms with cartwheel luster.





Edited for extra pictures. I guess the camera doesnt lie?

Myqqy

Are those hairlines from a cleaning?

gecko109

Possibly from album slide friction? Almost too much luster on this coin to have gone through a cleaning.

stev32k

cleaned AU - maybe net 50 or 55

gecko109

More pics coming in a minute or so....

thisnamztaken

It's a nice coin.
It's hard to tell by that photo but it appears to have some hairlines on her midsection and between the eagle's wings as well as some rub on her lower right leg and lower gown folds.

GoldenEyeNumismatics

wiped AU58

gecko109

Would the "light cleaning" be enough to keep this out of a slab? I see hairlined coins in PCGS slabs all the time.

gecko109

The lines are so faint that I didnt catch them with my 10x loupe, until I looked at my photos. And then, even with the loupe, the coin has to be tilted just right to see them. Is this BB material?

Manorcourtman

<< <i>Would the "light cleaning" be enough to keep this out of a slab? I see hairlined coins in PCGS slabs all the time. >>



Yes. Bodybag material based on pics.

Stuart

I agree with cleaned, and likely to receive a bodybag from the two major TPGS's.

The coin appears to be well struck and thus deserving both FH and FN designations.

291fifth

Cleaned in one way or another.

JJM

looks bU on the OBV, but the REV looks wizzed

Fairlaneman

The coin looks whizzed to me. Both sides. The light reflection is way to even/dull and usually that is a tell tale sign of a whiz job.

Ken

gecko109

Minor hairlines didnt stop this from getting into PCGS AU53 trim!!!

BlindedByEgo

Hairlines, but maybe worth a shot... Or wrap it in a Taco Bell napking for a while.

Almost looks like she was cold or smoething...

tradedollarnut

Minor hairlines didnt stop this from getting into PCGS AU53 trim!!!

Those apear to be slide marks and they're much more lenient on them than other types of lines. Even tho the 1917 quarter usually has matte like surfaces, this coin seems 'off' and is possibly whizzed.

gecko109

<< <i>Hairlines, but maybe worth a shot... Or wrap it in a Taco Bell napking for a while.

Almost looks like she was cold or smoething... >>




Thats why the modified chainmail came out the next year I bet

tjkillian

I was studying whizzed coins just tonight. Since you said the luster "absolutely booms" , I think that the coin has been whizzed. Those light hairlines and the luster is typical of what a whizzed coin looks like.

Bodybag material, sorry.

DJCoinz

<< <i>I was studying whizzed coins just tonight. Since you said the luster "absolutely booms" , I think that the coin has been whizzed. Those light hairlines and the luster is typical of what a whizzed coin looks like.

Bodybag material, sorry. >>

My immediate thought when seeing that coin was "whizzed". Sorry.

gecko109

<< <i>I was studying whizzed coins just tonight. Since you said the luster "absolutely booms" , I think that the coin has been whizzed. Those light hairlines and the luster is typical of what a whizzed coin looks like.

Bodybag material, sorry. >>



Do the whizzers usually get inside all the letters too? Because there is no change in the color/luster even inside the closed lettering.

Coxe

Might have been a close call before someone decided it needed to be cleaned. Good for a kid's type set now.

Frankcoins

AU58 wiped

gecko109

<< <i>Might have been a close call before someone decided it needed to be cleaned. Good for a kid's type set now. >>



Of all the thousands of comments I have read so far while a member here, this has to be the most demeaning. Just because some of you have the resources to put MS66 examples of coins like this into your collections does not automatically make this a "kids" coin. In fact, im sure there are plenty of ADULTS who would love to have this coin in their set. Who are you to decide what a kid coin is anyway? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you may just be tired because it is late. I have seen other posts of yours that were terrific and insightful. But your latest comment was nothing but insulting to say the least.

Coxe

I apologize. I was demeaning the person who wiped the coin not the owner. But is was admittedly unduly harsh.

gecko109

<< <i>I apologize. I was demeaning the person who wiped the coin not the owner. But is was admittedly unduly harsh. >>




Apology accepted. I'd love to be able to buy a superb gem coin of this type. But, my career path does not compensate me on that level. I certainly love what I do, but the pay isnt the greatest. I paid about $150 for this coin. Thats a decent chunk of cash for me. Probably like spending $15 for alot of the members on this forum though. Judging by the feedback on this coin, I overpaid. I am still learning, and still make mistakes. What really upset me is you calling it a "kids coin". Made me feel like my entire collecting efforts have been some kind of joke. Maybe to a family that makes $200,000 a year, this would be a nice "kids coin", but to me, it was a serious effort at putting this type into my collection.

Coxe

I looked into this and, surprisingly, cleaning isn't the huge penalty for the type one might expect.

Example

gecko109

That one from TT looks to be a sharper strike (rivets, breast feathers) than mine . That means mine is probably a true cleaned AU, and not UNC. Unless mine just doesnt have a good strike.

Frankcoins

Not whizzed. Light rub is visible on the eagle which would would not show after a whizzing. Expertly done
whizzing does NOT leave hairlines! It leaves an "electric" luster that looks too good to be true!

NHSBaseball

I gotta say, yours is much nicer looking than the one Coxe found at teletrade.

I buy coins on a teacher's salary, and have made tons of "mistakes". I've got a very pretty 7070 about 3/4 full of them! You can't be too thin-skinned when you ask for opinions on this forum, I've found. Don't take any of it personally.

gecko109

Thanks for the opinion Frank. I have a few whizzed coins in my collection, some bought on purpose as tools, some bought as mistakes. With the color/luster the same in the smallest areas of the lettering, as it is in the fields, I ruled out whizzing on this coin also. The semi-parrallel lines across the field between the eagle's wings was another clue to dismiss whizzing. However, I have seen many, and even own a couple PCGS coins with similar very light lines on them. I think "harsh" and "light" cleaning need to be differentiated.

NHS, I have respect for your profession. You guys literally shape our youngsters. Im a Chicago firefighter. Like I said, it doesnt pay much, but I wouldnt trade it for all the Stellas in the world! And as for the thin skin comment, usually nothing bothers me, but for some reason Coxe's comment really sent an arrow into my heart. I love this hobby! Been passionate about it for just 3 years, but there isnt an hour in the day that goes by without me thinking about coins. Maybe thats why he reached me.

lordmarcovan

Nice looking coin. I find myself agreeing with GoldenEyeNumismatics on yet another thread.

I suspect a wiped AU58. I cannot really discern from the pictures and lighting if there is any rub there or not, but my eye thinks it sees some on parts of the shield and eagle's wingtips. My eye also thought it saw some on Liberty's head, but my brain knows better than to use the head as a diagnostic, because of strike issues.

I wouldn't bet too hard on its fate in a TPG slab, but for something like a raw Dansco album, it would be a fantastic addition.

Slider or BU, wiped or not, that's a sharp coin.

gecko109

And that is exactly where this coin now resides marcovan. I already have one of these in PCGS 53, and the reason I asked about the TPG potential was not to have it slabbed, but rather peace of mind.

TorinoCobra71

<< <i>cleaned AU - maybe net 50 or 55 >>



Thats what I was thinking....

TC71

Bullish

It's a nice coin, Au 58 wiped.

gecko109

Thanks for all the opinions guys. One more quick question. Would the lines dissapear if this were a pocket piece for a month or two? And, would that increase or decrease its value? For instance, which is worth more, a cleaned 58, or a "problem free" 53?

Fairlaneman

Do whizzers usually get inside the letters also? Yes is the answer. Take a look at the coin below. Also I noticed you put a barber up. Is it not obvious the difference in the luster pattern? It sure is on my monitor.





Ken

agentjim007

slider, reverse looks wiped. VERY nice nipple.

gecko109

Ken, I see no light parellel lines in your whizzed example. Also, comparing the luster of one type of coin to that of another doesnt work. In fact, there are huge luster pattern differences within series of coins, Morgan dollars come to mind. So to say that because the luster pattern on my SLQ doesnt match the luster pattern on my Barber half means the coin has been whizzed just doesnt hold much water.

Fairlaneman

<< <i>Ken, I see no light parellel lines in your whizzed example. Also, comparing the luster of one type of coin to that of another doesnt work. In fact, there are huge luster pattern differences within series of coins, Morgan dollars come to mind. So to say that because the luster pattern on my SLQ doesnt match the luster pattern on my Barber half means the coin has been whizzed just doesnt hold much water. >>



OK, sorry to bother you. Good luck with your collecting.

Ken

gecko109

<< <i>

<< <i>Ken, I see no light parellel lines in your whizzed example. Also, comparing the luster of one type of coin to that of another doesnt work. In fact, there are huge luster pattern differences within series of coins, Morgan dollars come to mind. So to say that because the luster pattern on my SLQ doesnt match the luster pattern on my Barber half means the coin has been whizzed just doesnt hold much water. >>



OK, sorry to bother you. Good luck with your collecting.

Ken >>



Dont get me wrong Ken, Im very open to opinions, and ideas. But i'll be the first in line to call a spade a spade, and your explaination just doesnt make sense. Wiped? Yeah probably. Lightly cleaned? Sure. Whizzed? Not a chance. Refer to Frank's post. A whiz job is done to create false luster without leaving behind hairlines. If you whizzed a coin, and left hairlines, whats the point?