I don't have the guts to crack the coins and put them back in their original case. The case is very cool though and when the coins are in place they are sandwiched between panes of glass. The design allows the coins to be turned over like a page in a book so they are properly oriented for viewing.
Andy- I am curious did you submit the set for grading or resell it raw?
Andy- I am curious did you submit the set for grading or resell it raw?
Well, I'm not really sure. I did buy the set in the early to mid 90's. Consigned it to a Bowers sale about a year later. Later appeared in a Heritage sale and you know the rest.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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I purchased this in 1999 from the estate of a private collector, whom I believe had ties to J.J. Pittman. This is the first of the date for this denomination to be assigned the grade of MS-64 by P.C.G.S. This is the only example I have ever seen with fully Prooflike surfaces and cameo contrasting devices. I have examined every Mint state piece that I could find over the past seven years, and all others exhibited satin surfaces. I personally believe that this is a presentation piece.
I believe a thread appeared here within the last 60 days in the form of an inquiry by a new member that had one of these in his pssession, and who had no knowledge of the nature of this rare pattern.
I believe a thread appeared here within the last 60 days in the form of an inquiry by a new member that had one of these in his pssession, and who had no knowledge of the nature of this rare pattern. >>
<< <i>Sorry---------was thinking. Yes I did purchase it. >>
Congratulations! Value opportunities such as this may only present themselves once in a lifetime to most collectors. Enjoy it for all it's beauty and history.
coindeuce------yes you are correct. That was me. Some board memebers helped me identify the piece, and yes, I had no knowledge of patterns before this episode.
New member to the boards but not to collecting. Been at it for 30 years. Barber Halves are my chosen love and I just stumbled on this rare piece. Guess I'm just lucky.
Well, it was never really a part of my "collection", but rather a part of my dealer stock.
I just listed this on eBay recently. I hoped to get $15+ on it, which is roughly what I got on the five similar old English tokens I listed.
The auction on this piece remained at $7.05 until the final three seconds, then went up... a bit. I fell out of my chair. I posted this over here at the time, but I didn't add the postscript.
According to Nigel Clark, the Englishman who purchased it, this token is now the fifth known example, and two are in museums.
I paid a friend and forum member three bucks for it back in March, at the Darksider's private swap session during the Charlotte show.
Wow, I have to say this has been one of the most impressive posts I have seen in sometime. Each and everyone one is awesome and I would have to mention each by name to do it justice. But I will say I am in awe.
I don't have much to post because the rarest coins I have are Hungarian and Russian and since this is a US coin forum I only have one prospective coin for now. And , hopefully it is appropriate. It hasn't been graded as of yet because I have only discovered a few weeks ago. Thanks to the forum members who helped me ID the coin.
I did post in on the CONECA site and it was confirmed that it is a 1967, DDO-002 but at there suggestion I will send it in for grading and confirmation to make absolute.
As far as rarity according to the Cherry Pickers Guide there are between 9-16 known. Depending on how it grades it can be a decent piece of change considering I picked it up the SMS for $9
1885 Assay Commission medal in silver. Reported mintage of four in this metal. It is possible that a couple of restrikes were also made (which would also likely include this specimen). In any case, I know of only two specimens, and I doubt there are more than six, if that many. It (and the other one I know of) traces back to the Virgil Brand collection. (There are also probably around 30 or so in bronze.)
The qualifying coin in my collection is a 1998 Lincoln cent with my thumbprint squarely over Lincoln’s executive profile. The coin is unique. It will soon be on the cover of the new color coffee table book The 100 Greatest 1998 Lincoln Cents. (We’ve ordered 100,000 copies for a first printing, and reserved press time for the next half million.)
Ed, TDN and Boiler - you're being modest - keep them coming.
J361 - One of 2 made. PCGS P65Cam
J302 - One of perhaps 4?? Finest, Breen plate coin. PCGS P66Cam
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
Sold off all my ultra rarities. Not sure what I've still got with low surviving numbers... 1851/52 dollars [40-80]? 1873-CC seated dollar [100-120]? I wouldn't call those excessively rare.
Not only is that Aluminum set rare, but Aluminum in 1868 was exceedingly rare, I think it was another 20 years before they refined the process. If only 5 sets were made, how many have actully survived, does anyone know?
JJ
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This is from my dime collection. It is a crummy picture but you can get the idea that this coin is a true gem.
1798 small 8 dime. Graded by PCGS as MS-65. Graded 12 years ago.
There are 15 graded (5 are most likely resubmissions) and this is the highest of only 2 known mint state coins.
I have a couple of patterns that only one have ever been graded by PCGS or NGC and have shown pics of them here before. They are the $5 $10 and $20 aluminum patterns of the regular design of 1872 and 1874.
Oreville - was the scanner falling off the table??
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
I particularly like the ornate J-1518 1877 half dollar one you showed earlier. Tops in the coolness ratings!!!
Every coin/pattern shown here has been great to look at.
Even coinsarefun's 1967 washington quarter which looks to be of very high grade! Nice indeed!!
Last; boiler78 needs to explain that his incredible 1868 aluminum proof set are NOT toned! That is the aluminum version of the black and white cameo contrast which is more obvious with cameo proof silver coins.
Splashers - All unique, as far as I know. On 1-13-06, Pistareen posted this about splashers.
Most folks call them cliches (with an accent aigu over the e). Jefferson, and thus probably Jean-Pierre Droz and Augustin Dupre, called them eprueves (with the same accent on the first e).
Splashers is the most useful term, though, because it says what it really is -- a splash of hot metal that suddenly cools. You can heat soft type metal (pretty much just pewter or "white metal") on a kitchen stove or a hotplate. Basically you take a piece of paper, pour a dollop of super-soft molten metal out, push your die in, and -- voila! -- a cooled splasher is finished in a few seconds. The paper is pretty much there just so you don't scorch your tabletop.
I love splashers, since they were poured by the engraver/sculptor himself (or herself). Some are called "progress proofs" -- these are impressions from the die when it is not yet done. Like Shamika said, a not-yet-hardened die could be damaged if it was struck in something hard, but pushing it into a splash of molten pewter is pretty harmless.
These things are extremely rare because 1) they are fragile and 2) they were not meant to be saved.
1) Fragile, yes. Crumbling in your hand, no. I keep mine in stiff cardboard envelopes and they're just fine. I wouldn't chew on it or try to fold it, but as long as it is handled carefully it will not fall apart.
2) They were just a temporary, even momentary, way to see what a product would look like if the die was ready to make a finished product. The earliest ones I've seen are French, ca. 1770. The US Mint was using the technique through the 1870s or so.
To answer your other questions -- yes I've seen them in person and yes I have seen one slabbed. NGC slabbed a Standard Silver half dollar splasher that an ANR client discovered and consigned to us. I do not believe they graded it. Value is a function of supply and demand like anything else. I own a splasher made in 1787 by famed French sculptor/engraver/inventor Jean-Pierre Droz that I think I paid $120 for. I also handled splashers made for the 1790 Diplomatic Medal (made for the US govt in France) that were worth about $10K each. Most are in the middle.
In my opinion, US pattern splashers are vastly undervalued when compared to their rarity and history. Of course, they're not as pretty as a toned Amazonian quarter. But there are no guarantees the engraver ever handled an Amazonian quarter, which is downright common by comparison!
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
Ah yes - one more thing I don't like about the new Heritage web site.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
Branch Mint. The only official U.S. Mint is located in Philadelphia. All other locations are considered branches.
coindeuce, Thanks for decyphering BM! I know the whole branch mint deal, but as there's a big ol'e New Orlean's mint mark on the obverse... why the need to ad BM on the slab?
To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
This is a complete reverse die trial, in white metal, of the laurel wreath design with groups of 5 leaves as used on J191/P233, J202/P245, and J208/P253 & P259. The illustrated example is the only one confirmed to exist and was offered in Heritage 1/06 FUN sale.
To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
This is a complete reverse die trial, in white metal, of the laurel wreath design with groups of 5 leaves as used on J191/P233, J202/P245, and J208/P253 & P259. The illustrated example is the only one confirmed to exist and was offered in Heritage 1/06 FUN sale.
Here's a bit which I wrote a few years ago for a Darkside showing. The image server is now kaput, and the envelope images are on my work computer....however, here's the florin, dated 1870, and the single finest known Victorian florin of any date in the entire series.
In the pantheon of Victorian Numismatics there exists this enigmatic coin whose complete tale is yet to unfold. She is a pristine, miracle survivor of the ravages of time because of a boy named Bertie. He was the son of the President of Barclay's London branch in the mid to late 1800s, and for about 16 years, 'dear Papa', presented Bertie with a florins worth of change in a wax sealed Barclay's envelope. This florin being the sole coin given at Christmas in 1870, the envelope is inscribed, "Bertie's Florin, From dear Papa. Xmas 1870". Why didn't Bertie open his envelopes, any of them; any of the 16? Did dear Papa merely 'present' them to Bertie as a memorial to his deceased son? Were they saved to be opened only on a special occasion, an occasion which never occurred? Whatever the reason, Thanks Bertie! We owe you a debt of gratitude for a true National Treasure!
I love these kinds of threads because I get to see a lot of awesome coins. Here's my contribution...I've posted this before, but different pics this time...pics aren't great though.
1796 Myddelton Token, Copper, PF62 BN [PCGS], Breen 1074 variety, one of just a dozen or so known
<< <i>TDN ... - you're being modest - keep them coming
Sold off all my ultra rarities. Not sure what I've still got with low surviving numbers... 1851/52 dollars [40-80]? 1873-CC seated dollar [100-120]? I wouldn't call those excessively rare. >>
I guess that rules me out
Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!
Mac- beautiful Florin gotta love the toning on that one.
The design on the Myddelton token is one of my alltime favorites.
Here is a unique combination of a very scarce R6 pattern and major error (60% off center) and yes as with almost everything in my collection MrEureka once owned this coin!
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that it was not as rare as some of these gems!
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<< <i>I have to ask... were those pictures taken with the coins actually in the case? Or were the images shopped in? >>
What, can't you tell?
NGC holders? The white rings about the coins is kinda neat!
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
As Pollock-1664; Unique
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<< <i>I have to ask... were those pictures taken with the coins actually in the case? Or were the images shopped in? >>
What, can't you tell?
NGC holders? The white rings about the coins is kinda neat!
Lane >>
The white rings are the case. All PCGS.
<< <i>The white rings are the case. All PCGS. >>
Thanks...guess the clear looked white to my eyes.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Andy- I am curious did you submit the set for grading or resell it raw?
Well, I'm not really sure. I did buy the set in the early to mid 90's. Consigned it to a Bowers sale about a year later. Later appeared in a Heritage sale and you know the rest.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.americanlegacycoins.com
<< <i>One of about 10 known
Did you take it off the guy's hands?
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Sorry---------don't understand the question
<< <i>Did you take it off the guy's hands?
Sorry---------don't understand the question
Didn't you say it belonged to your friend's brother-in-law? Have you purchased it ("taken it off his hands"), or does he still own it?
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<< <i>Did you take it off the guy's hands?
Sorry---------don't understand the question
I believe a thread appeared here within the last 60 days in the form of an inquiry by a new member that had one of these in his pssession, and who had no knowledge of the nature of this rare pattern.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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<< <i>Did you take it off the guy's hands?
Sorry---------don't understand the question
I believe a thread appeared here within the last 60 days in the form of an inquiry by a new member that had one of these in his pssession, and who had no knowledge of the nature of this rare pattern. >>
Right.
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<< <i>Sorry---------was thinking. Yes I did purchase it. >>
Congratulations! Value opportunities such as this may only present themselves once in a lifetime to most collectors. Enjoy it for all it's beauty and history.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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New member to the boards but not to collecting. Been at it for 30 years. Barber Halves are my chosen love and I just stumbled on this rare piece. Guess I'm just lucky.
I just listed this on eBay recently. I hoped to get $15+ on it, which is roughly what I got on the five similar old English tokens I listed.
The auction on this piece remained at $7.05 until the final three seconds, then went up... a bit. I fell out of my chair. I posted this over here at the time, but I didn't add the postscript.
According to Nigel Clark, the Englishman who purchased it, this token is now the fifth known example, and two are in museums.
I paid a friend and forum member three bucks for it back in March, at the Darksider's private swap session during the Charlotte show.
Not bad.
Many of you will also remember another time I unknowingly sold something very rare, when the 1806 Draped Bust half Overton-109 discovery coin was cherrypicked right off my Holey Coin Vest.
They don't get any more rare than unique.
I don't have much to post because the rarest coins I have are Hungarian and Russian and since this is a US coin forum I only have one prospective coin for now. And , hopefully it is appropriate. It hasn't been graded as of yet because I have only discovered a few weeks ago. Thanks to the forum members who helped me ID the coin.
I did post in on the CONECA site and it was confirmed that it is a 1967, DDO-002 but at there suggestion I will send it in for grading and confirmation to make absolute.
As far as rarity according to the Cherry Pickers Guide there are between 9-16 known. Depending on how it grades it can be a decent piece of change considering I picked it up the SMS for $9
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
Ed. S.
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I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Ed, TDN and Boiler - you're being modest - keep them coming.
J361 - One of 2 made. PCGS P65Cam
J302 - One of perhaps 4?? Finest, Breen plate coin. PCGS P66Cam
Sold off all my ultra rarities.
JJ
1798 small 8 dime. Graded by PCGS as MS-65. Graded 12 years ago.
There are 15 graded (5 are most likely resubmissions) and this is the highest of only 2 known mint state coins.
I have a couple of patterns that only one have ever been graded by PCGS or NGC and have shown pics of them here before. They are the $5 $10 and $20 aluminum patterns of the regular design of 1872 and 1874.
<< <i>Many of you will also remember another time I unknowingly sold something very rare, when the 1806 Draped Bust half Overton-109 discovery coin was cherrypicked right off my Holey Coin Vest.
They don't get any more rare than unique. >>
Wow...what a heart-breaking story. I am sure you have a lot of good karma coming your way!
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Oreville - was the scanner falling off the table??
I particularly like the ornate J-1518 1877 half dollar one you showed earlier. Tops in the coolness ratings!!!
Every coin/pattern shown here has been great to look at.
Even coinsarefun's 1967 washington quarter which looks to be of very high grade! Nice indeed!!
Last; boiler78 needs to explain that his incredible 1868 aluminum proof set are NOT toned! That is the aluminum version of the black and white cameo contrast which is more obvious with cameo proof silver coins.
<< <i>What's the "BM" stand for on that Proof 38-o? >>
Branch Mint. The only official U.S. Mint is located in Philadelphia. All other locations are considered branches.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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Most folks call them cliches (with an accent aigu over the e). Jefferson, and thus probably Jean-Pierre Droz and Augustin Dupre, called them eprueves (with the same accent on the first e).
Splashers is the most useful term, though, because it says what it really is -- a splash of hot metal that suddenly cools. You can heat soft type metal (pretty much just pewter or "white metal") on a kitchen stove or a hotplate. Basically you take a piece of paper, pour a dollop of super-soft molten metal out, push your die in, and -- voila! -- a cooled splasher is finished in a few seconds. The paper is pretty much there just so you don't scorch your tabletop.
I love splashers, since they were poured by the engraver/sculptor himself (or herself). Some are called "progress proofs" -- these are impressions from the die when it is not yet done. Like Shamika said, a not-yet-hardened die could be damaged if it was struck in something hard, but pushing it into a splash of molten pewter is pretty harmless.
These things are extremely rare because 1) they are fragile and 2) they were not meant to be saved.
1) Fragile, yes. Crumbling in your hand, no. I keep mine in stiff cardboard envelopes and they're just fine. I wouldn't chew on it or try to fold it, but as long as it is handled carefully it will not fall apart.
2) They were just a temporary, even momentary, way to see what a product would look like if the die was ready to make a finished product. The earliest ones I've seen are French, ca. 1770. The US Mint was using the technique through the 1870s or so.
To answer your other questions -- yes I've seen them in person and yes I have seen one slabbed. NGC slabbed a Standard Silver half dollar splasher that an ANR client discovered and consigned to us. I do not believe they graded it. Value is a function of supply and demand like anything else. I own a splasher made in 1787 by famed French sculptor/engraver/inventor Jean-Pierre Droz that I think I paid $120 for. I also handled splashers made for the 1790 Diplomatic Medal (made for the US govt in France) that were worth about $10K each. Most are in the middle.
In my opinion, US pattern splashers are vastly undervalued when compared to their rarity and history. Of course, they're not as pretty as a toned Amazonian quarter. But there are no guarantees the engraver ever handled an Amazonian quarter, which is downright common by comparison!
Arrrrgh - never mind.
coindeuce, Thanks for decyphering BM! I know the whole branch mint deal, but as there's a big ol'e New Orlean's mint mark on the obverse... why the need to ad BM on the slab?
This is a complete reverse die trial, in white metal, of the laurel wreath design with groups of 5 leaves as used on J191/P233, J202/P245, and J208/P253 & P259. The illustrated example is the only one confirmed to exist and was offered in Heritage 1/06 FUN sale.
Here is the reverse.
<< <i>Lakesammman, Here you go...
This is a complete reverse die trial, in white metal, of the laurel wreath design with groups of 5 leaves as used on J191/P233, J202/P245, and J208/P253 & P259. The illustrated example is the only one confirmed to exist and was offered in Heritage 1/06 FUN sale.
Sure doesnt look "complete" to me!
In the pantheon of Victorian Numismatics there exists this enigmatic coin whose complete tale is yet to unfold. She is a pristine, miracle survivor of the ravages of time because of a boy named Bertie. He was the son of the President of Barclay's London branch in the mid to late 1800s, and for about 16 years, 'dear Papa', presented Bertie with a florins worth of change in a wax sealed Barclay's envelope. This florin being the sole coin given at Christmas in 1870, the envelope is inscribed, "Bertie's Florin, From dear Papa. Xmas 1870". Why didn't Bertie open his envelopes, any of them; any of the 16? Did dear Papa merely 'present' them to Bertie as a memorial to his deceased son? Were they saved to be opened only on a special occasion, an occasion which never occurred? Whatever the reason, Thanks Bertie! We owe you a debt of gratitude for a true National Treasure!
Very nice! Keep 'em comin'!
1874 Dime NGCAU53 highest grade circulated coin.
1843 O fully struck (PCGS has graded 2 mint state) This coin is raw
1865 full metal turn - NGC 65 , about 5 known - possibly finest known
1868 Dime BR-3345 Digit in the base, PF65 DCAM , rare coin, unique in DCAM?
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
1796 Myddelton Token, Copper, PF62 BN [PCGS], Breen 1074 variety, one of just a dozen or so known
<< <i>TDN ... - you're being modest - keep them coming
Sold off all my ultra rarities.
I guess that rules me out
Ed62 is just getting warmed up
Mac- beautiful Florin gotta love the toning on that one.
The design on the Myddelton token is one of my alltime favorites.
Here is a unique combination of a very scarce R6 pattern and major error (60% off center) and yes as with almost everything in my collection MrEureka once owned this coin!
<< <i>Here is a unique combination of a very scarce R6 pattern and major error >>
Now that's cool!