In what year were no cent pieces struck?
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Not as easy as it looks.
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what do you mean no correct answer yet? please post a pic of an 1815 cent
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I said that it was not as easy as it looks. 1815 is not the correct answer.
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I've gone backwards in the Red Book and 1815 is the only date not there for cents.
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True enough, but 1815 is still the wrong answer.
Denga
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
But the answer the OP was looking for is undoubtedly 1883. The famed 1883 "No Cents" nickel gave rise to the Josh Tatum scandal of passing off gilded nickels as "the new five dollar gold piece." We still use the term "you're joshing me" to refer to the Josh Tatum fraud. As a result, the word CENTS was added later in the year.
The 1883 "No Cents" nickel is a "no cent piece" !!!
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Edited to add: I see someone else posted it while I was typing !! oh well, i got scooped !!!
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He asked in what year none were struck, not for what year there are none dated !! Early coinage was often struck from dies dated the previous year - they just kept on using them. However, many sources cite 1815 as the only year in which no one cent pieces were struck.
But the answer the OP was looking for is undoubtedly 1883. The famed 1883 "No Cents" nickel gave rise to the Josh Tatum scandal of psasing off gilded ickels as "the new five dollar gold piece." We still use the term "you're joshing me" to refer to the Josh Tatum fraud. As a result, the word CENTS was added later in the year.
The 1883 "No Cents" nickel is a "no cent piece" !!!
Best,
Sunnywood
Edited to add: I see someone else posted it while I was typing !! oh well, i got scooped !!!
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Well, actually not. Sunnywood is, however, correct, when he says he asked in what year none
were struck, not for what year there are none dated. 1815 is not correct because cent pieces
were struck in December 1815, probably from dies of 1814 though 1816 is possible.
This is not a trick question in that I am not speaking of Civil War tokens or 1883 nickels.
Denga
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Not the correct answer yet.
Denga
1823
2nd choice: 1823
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CORRECT !! There was no cent coinage in 1823; the 1823 dated coins were probably struck in
1824.
Denga
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"January 1816 saw the destruction of the smelt and mill houses from a fire. The smelt house was never repaired and all smelting was done elsewhere. The mill house, which was completely destroyed, was soon replaced with a large brick building. It included a new steam engine in the basement to power the machinery above."
I am guessing that they were running behind due to the major problems with the fire. Had already had the dies ready for the year and were able to be used.... but that it took till the last of 1816 to rebuild the facility and the first coins werent pressed until very early Jan. 1817 using 1816 dies. Which were discarded a later after they had mints running again and time to prepare dies for the current 1817 years issue.
Let me know how totally far offbase I am.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
I'm really going to step out on a limb here since I dont have a lot of knowledge about classic early cents. I do however have a good understanding of history. So I am going to say 1816. And here is why. "January 1816 saw the destruction of the smelt and mill houses from a fire. The smelt house was never repaired and all smelting was done elsewhere. The mill house, which was completely destroyed, was soon replaced with a large brick building. It included a new steam engine in the basement to power the machinery above." I am guessing that they were running behind due to the major problems with the fire. Had already had the dies ready for the year and were able to be used.... but that it took till the last of 1816 to rebuild the facility and the first coins werent pressed until very early Jan. 1817 using 1816 dies. Which were discarded a later after they had mints running again and time to prepare dies for the current 1817 years issue.
Let me know how totally far offbase I am.
There was, as noted, a fire in early 1816 but this did not affect the copper coinage. From 1798
through 1857 all copper planchets were prepared outside the Mint. The cents struck in late 1815
and all of 1816, for example, were made from planchets prepared in England.
The fire did not affect the coining presses, only the rolling mills which flattened the ingots of gold
and silver. The damaged mills were not replaced until the spring of 1817.
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As we've recently discovered, 1787 would be a correct answer too -- those Fugio "cents" are not cents after all.
Good thought-provoking question -- thanks Denga.
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No cents were produced in 1823. Since the dies with the 1823 date were in good condition, they were carried over to the next year and used to strike cents. Back then, nothing was wasted and dies were used until they were no longer servicable.
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As for the Josh Tatum story, does anyone have actual evidence this happened?
<< <i>As for the Josh Tatum story, does anyone have actual evidence this happened? >>
i had a couple of in depth conversations with a fellow who researched this extensively at the end of the 1970s. his conclusion is that it is a story of recent origin. i tend to agree w/ him
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