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Wow, you guys were right. OTT Lite is by far the best light source for viewing toned coins. It truly is synonymous with natural daylight and really captivates all toning and texture highlights of a coin. Thanks for the tip to those who suggested it.image
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    shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Hey, I'm the original OTT lite poster on the forum.

    I brought OTT's to the Indian Head Cent challenge at Long Beach 2001.

    And I've been posting here about them ever since.

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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Or you can save $60 and buy GE Reveals for $4.99 - a 4 pack.

    Russ, NCNE
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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love my Otts...I use 2 of the desktop lights for my photography...
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    shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    OTT lites bring out the true color of copper.

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Or you can save $60 and buy GE Reveals for $4.99 - a 4 pack. >>



    Sorry Russ I have both set up on my copy stand and the Otts are a truer lite without even using the white balance on the camera. For the novice the revels give you the PCGS or NGC slab that looks pink if you do not adjust your white balance for the revel bulbs.


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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I got my at Staples for 19.99 , same thing , flip up type image

    there just 9 or 12 watt PC daylight bulbs
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    shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Or you can save $60 and buy GE Reveals for $4.99 - a 4 pack.

    Russ - yuck!

    Been there, done that. They work on toned coins because no one knows what they really look like.

    Try reveals on blast RD coppers.

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    << <i>Or you can save $60 and buy GE Reveals for $4.99 - a 4 pack.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Ditto
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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OMG - Light Fight ..........LOL
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    shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    I've been posting here about light sources being more important than cameras for years.

    It doesn't take long, after you've spent good money on a camera to image coins,
    and you've finally figured out how to use it, you realize....lighting is 50% of the image.

    I've tried every lighting gimic. Tubular lighting systems which burned some of my coins,
    Cloud Domes (lol) I won't bother explaining this salad bowl contraption, and then
    there's the Cool-Light SL-1 attachment. When attached to your Nikon it looks like
    a UFO is about to land on your coin.

    And as for reveal bulbs. They have a redish hue that turns me off.

    Natural light is hard to replicate outside of taking your coin into the backyard on a
    moderately sunny day. OTT lites replicate that moderate sunshine in your home.
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    I might have to try that.... I purchased the reveal bulbs last year after all the "natural light" commercials - but was pretty disappointed in the outcome.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Try reveals on blast RD coppers. >>



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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
    slap, slap
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    LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
    I'm on board with the OTT-LITE all the way. I agree about the Reveals and I've also used a PAR3 75W Halogen. The Halogen brings out the color but the glare and "look" just aren't correct.


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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Bah. For your own personal looking at coins, Ott lights are nice. Your camera doesn't care much what light is being used as long as you get an accurate WB. When things re adjusted correctly the images from different lights are almost indistinguishable in color. The form of the light does make a difference in that halogens and other incandescents are more point source and the typical Ott liht is linear/tubular.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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    From Russ' photo's above...Do you really think its worth paying an extra $65 for an Ott?

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    OneCentOneCent Posts: 3,561 ✭
    Russ, man, if I had that much success with Reveal bulbs I'd use them all day long too!!! I'd love to see your lighting set-up assuming it is not a trade secretimageimageimage.

    Even when I adjust the WB on my camera, I still get a color that looks un-natural using regular incandescent bulbs.image Once I migrated to OTT_Lites my pictures vastly improved.image
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    holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭


    << <i>From Russ' photo's above...Do you really think its worth paying an extra $65 for an Ott? >>



    Yes but Russ is also using a ten year old camera. image

    It does not always have to be I have the best, newest most expensive. You just need to be able to utilize your resources no matter what they are.

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    << <i>Russ, man, if I had that much success with Reveal bulbs I'd use them all day long too!!! I'd love to see your lighting set-up assuming it is not a trade secretimageimageimage.

    Even when I adjust the WB on my camera, I still get a color that looks un-natural using regular incandescent bulbs.image Once I migrated to OTT_Lites my pictures vastly improved.image >>



    I'd like to see your set up too.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd love to see your lighting set-up assuming it is not a trade secret >>



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    The secret is the $5.99 Office Depot desk lamps. image

    Russ, NCNE
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is that where you have them positioned relative to the camera while shooting?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is that where you have them positioned relative to the camera while shooting? >>



    That's slab shot positioning. Normally, the one on the left would be up higher. When I shoot slab shots I lower it and aim it at the label.

    Edited to add: The exact positioning of the lights varies from coin to coin. I move them around until it looks correct in the viewer. That's why I have them mounted in those clamp on lamps.

    Russ, NCNE
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    OneCentOneCent Posts: 3,561 ✭
    Nice, Russ...real nice!!!

    Two Ott lites on a coffee table with the coin laid on a piece of white paper. Manually position the lights until you get the desired angle/lighting that best reflects the in-hand look of the coin. Throw in a $5.99 tripod with a Canon Powershot a610 point and shoot and there you have it. A very simplistic set-up.

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    I love imaging coins almost as much as I like collecting them. Next Stop...DSLR with 100mm Macro Lens and Copystand as I think that I maxed-out the capabilities of my current set-up.

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    a039a039 Posts: 1,546 ✭


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    Russ, NCNE >>



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    shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    From Russ' photo's above...Do you really think its worth paying an extra $65 for an Ott?

    Yes, and it's more like an extra $30.

    I'm always amazed at how people spend decent money for cameras and then go compucheap on the lights.

    Oh well. I like some natural color and luster in my copper images.
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    LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
    Nice shots Paul! image


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    Dollar2007Dollar2007 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭
    From the pictures posted by russ, and the ott lite, I like the ott lite look.
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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like them all but we need a few hundred more images to decide what is best. image
    Larry

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    SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I like them all but we need a few hundred more images to decide what is best. image >>



    Let's have a contest! image

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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
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    MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


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    I think this mgoodm3 guy shoots excellent images.image
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    jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭
    There are some super shots of IHC's and Lincolns. What about silver? Say, Wayte Raymond album toned? Reveal or Otts?

    I just got my copy stand and have a Canon Sure shot IS ...just need the lights. I'd pay a little more for results, so long as the bulbs last longer than my camera's batteries.

    In that regard, does anyone know of AC adapters for the Canon...I'd love to ditch the batteries when I am only 5 feet from the outlet.
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    holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭
    These are all with reveal (3) 60 watt bulbs :

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    coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    When I was going through my testing of various light bulbs, I tried the Reveals. In my opinion and experience, the Ott is much better. Your mileage may vary.

    I find that the Otts give a truer representation of in-hand color than any other bulb I've tried.

    Also, Ott Lites are $35, not $65, if you buy on eBay.

    I just got done imaging this piece tonight using 2 Otts.

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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    For those of you who take photos of slabbed coins, what techniques do you use to avoid glare and keep reflections of your light(s) on the slab surface from showing up in your pictures?
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reveal, OTT.......they all look great to me! Great copper pics all around.
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    More pics need to be posted to resolve the "Great Light War of 2007"

    Keep em coming. This is great.
    //ab

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry Russ - you Ott to buy the better lights. image
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    My pics was halogen.
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    LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
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    TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm with Russ on the Reveal Lights for copper or silver.

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    << <i>There are some super shots of IHC's and Lincolns. What about silver? Say, Wayte Raymond album toned? Reveal or Otts?

    I just got my copy stand and have a Canon Sure shot IS ...just need the lights. I'd pay a little more for results, so long as the bulbs last longer than my camera's batteries.

    In that regard, does anyone know of AC adapters for the Canon...I'd love to ditch the batteries when I am only 5 feet from the outlet. >>




    There is one in this list of accessories at canon usa: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&tabact=SNAModelSuppliesTabAct&fcategoryid=813&modelid=9824

    You might be able to do much better in price on the bay though. Some of the big camera stores carry most canon accessories.


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    TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What about silver? Say, Wayte Raymond album toned? Reveal or Otts? >>



    This one was taken with 3 OTT lamps. I believe captured the toning rather nicely.

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    These are awesome photos.

    Russ, what are the paper cones in the photo for? I get everything else, but what do you use those for?
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    TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You guys are lucky - can't find an real OTT lamp here (Canada) for less than $110. The ones I'm using are "simulated daylight" ones from COSTCO.
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    IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You guys are lucky - can't find an real OTT lamp here (Canada) for less than $110. The ones I'm using are "simulated daylight" ones from COSTCO. >>



    Try this link. joann
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ and Mark have my votes.... image Although all the photo's are great, I think the more natural pictures (if that magnification can be called natural) are provided by Russ and Mark - and I agree.. lighting is not the be-all and end-all of photography. It is certainly important, but the camera, set up etc are significant. Look what JapanJohn does with virtually no special equipment. Cheers, RickO
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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Watching this thread closely for pointers. The new camera is still giving me fits....image

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is OTT less harsh on circ coins with hairlines then Halogen which hides no minor flaws?
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