Question about 4SC or DSL..

bifff257

They obviously submit massive amounts of cards to PSA...

I was wondering what they do with the cards that are off grade....I never see them list off grade cards on ebay.....

I doubt that there entire submission is filled with 9 and 10's.

stown

My guess is they do a minimum grade. Those that don't make the requirement are sold under another eBay alias.

Ichiro51fan

Yup... that is true. They sell their off-grade stuff under one of their many aliases... I think it's New England Sports Cards or something like that.

btw... please do not support these idiots as they are outright crooks! Check the many threads describing their pathetic actions and you'll see what I mean.

thedutymon

Good daty,
I have long wondered this myself, could you explain how this minimum grade works? Do they not have to pay for cards that are not slabbed, that are below, say 9's, if they specify 9's. If they are charged anyway, slabbed or not, what would be the advantage to not slabbing them? If they aren't charged if not slabbed, how do we get on that bandwagon? I would love to quit wasting money on Moderns slabbed in 8 cases !!!!!!
Neil

EchoCanyon

Why are they crooks?

gemint

I do see DSL moving qualified cards like 9(OC) and 8(OC) but I don't see too many 7's or lower. I agree that they probably specify a minimum grade and then offload the fallout as raw cards for an insane premium without informing the potential buyer that the card didn't make the grade when it was submitted.

mcolney1

Never had a problem with 4SC. They are wonderful ebay sellers. Item is described accurately, items is shipped securely, and usually arrives within the week and I live in Seattle - 3000 miles away!

I don't buy anything from New England Sportscards because I know they are the PSA rejects or cards that never get sent in.

To say they are crooks is a very inaccurate statement unless you have proof.

jimq112

<< <i>Why are they crooks? >>



The most recent complaint and the one that put them on my "don't deal with" list was when a board member here used buy it now on one of their cards. The price was cheap, not cheap for a regular common but cheap for that card, low pop 72 topps card.

4sc gave the buyer all kinds of BS stories about shipping, fake delivery confirmation numbers, and then 4sc listed the SAME EXACT card with the same cert # for much higher dollars. I think it sold for over 10X as much.

If they made a mistake, that's one thing. We all make mistakes.
They lied and made up story after story, and never owned up to the mistake.

cravetopps

<<<btw... please do not support these idiots as they are outright crooks! Check the many threads describing their pathetic actions and you'll see what I mean.>>>

I have bought literally hundreds of graded cards from both these sellers and never had a problem. Other than the one specific comment above, what did I miss?

bifff257

<< <i>My guess is they do a minimum grade. Those that don't make the requirement are sold under another eBay alias. >>



OK, that makes perfect sense...... I buy from both of these sellers often, but I never see any off grade cards listed except for DSL they do list some lots that are 9OC & 8OC.....





<< <i>I think it's New England Sports Cards or something like that. >>



Yep very aware of them being 4SC's dumping grounds.

jimq112

This is the card they sold to a member here and then lied and blamed usps and the shipping company they usedPSA #81836185


This is the exact card they sold to a member here and then resold later PSA # 81836185
and
here's a link to the thread where they were talking about it.

Any seller on ebay who would lie and cheat a member here won't get my business. If enough members here didn't buy from them they might rethink their business practices.


Edited to add first auction link

thedutymon

Good ,
I am sure that this was probably already asked, but was this reported to Fee-bay. Even with their lax attitude, that is
Theft or Fraud by Non Performance or Deception, or some such.

Neil

swartz1

<< <i>This is the card they sold to a member here and then lied and blamed usps and the shipping company they usedPSA #81836185


This is the exact card they sold to a member here and then resold later PSA # 81836185
and
here's a link to the thread where they were talking about it.

Any seller on ebay who would lie and cheat a member here won't get my business. If enough members here didn't buy from them they might rethink their business practices.

jay0791

No doubt that card in question was relisted and a diff scan was used. I bought a card for $100 when it normaly goes for $1000.
Seller realised the mistake and refused to sell card.......what can ya do? It hapens

I have bought 100's of cards from dslsports.....and found them extremely easy to deal with. no problems of any kind. The reason that they have only higher end cards is they have a better card screener that doesn't send the low end stuff in. simple.

4sc sells the lower end stuff under....making_the _grade i believe.

I have had a few issues with 4sc. Getting ebay to move against a big powerseller....would be like peeing into a hurricane and not getting wet......not ever gonna happen.

jimq112

I also bought many cards from DSL with no problems. And if they had offered the buyer something in return for their mistake I would still buy there.

But they didn't, they lied to him many times.

Gary Daggett cheated people here and lied to them.
DSL cheated somebody here and lied to them.

No difference in my eyes.

ahkmedbinladen

My experiences with these two....Well they both have to be right up there with Psa s top bulk submitters. They both ship fast. They probably do have some sort of minimum grade arrangement on modern stuff. I know for a fact that DSL will bring 1000s of Qualifiers, 7s and 8s that dont sell on ebay, modern 10s to the shows in San fran and L.A. Hollywood park and offer them at $5 a card.They do quite well(Its like a garage sell). You will see them sell graded lots on ebay as well. They too dump their raw partial sets that wont grade out on ebay.
Here is the biggest difference in the two IMO... I have been happy with the few cards I have purchased from 4sc ( although the stunt they pulled with the 72 floi IA Psa 8 on ebay was a bunch of crap). With DSL , there cards always seem to rattle around in the holder.