Excess Shipping!!
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Anyone else think $12 is a little steep for a $300 item? The seller states this amount for $200 to $900 range. A rip job for the low end, but not so bad for the top end. There were posters here in the past who never considered shipping as part of the cost of the coins they acquired. This is what makes it tough to try to resell stuff for a profit on the Bay. You would need to get about an extra $15 or so just to break even after fees on a resell.
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--Jerry
<< <i>Just bid accordingly and don't worry about it. eBay wants you to get upset and report him or ding his star for excess shipping because they don't get a cut n the shipping. eBay has screwed enough sellers that most of us would like to cut ebay out as much as possible right now. The reason many of us don't do it is the risk up upsetting buyers. So long as it is stated clearly I just bid the total I'd be willing to spend minus the shipping and wish him luck.
--Jerry >>
You never lose money on items you don't win. If someone wants to overpay, just wait until another chance.
Actually, it depends on the item, but for a single slabbed coin, it's way high.
<< <i>" Anyone else think $12 is a little steep for a $300 item?"
Actually, it depends on the item, but for a single slabbed coin, it's way high. >>
Gee, I just spent $11.00 shipping a single coin (albeit $500) via Priority Mail to PCGS. And to their unmitigated gall, it will cost me (for a $500.00 coin), $17.15 to have it shipped back.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
Ink, Paper,Tape, Envelope/Box, Packaging, Insurance, Signature confirmation, travel to post office, gas and time are inclusive in seller's costs..
These are a few of the costs a seller incurs getting your product to you if he's using PayPal to ship.
If it showed up in a brown manilla envelope with bare minimum postage, it's excessive, though.
Anyway, my partners (we) make mistakes often times and when we have to pay an extra five hundred to truck something to a job because someone forgets to order it with the initial shipment, twelve bucks seems cheap.
<< <i>" Anyone else think $12 is a little steep for a $300 item?"
Actually, it depends on the item, but for a single slabbed coin, it's way high. >>
Lets do the math.....$4.60 Priority Mail
$4.60 USPS Insurance
$1.75 Signature Confirmation (Required by Paypal.
I guess not....
<< <i>No, I don't think it's steep on a three hundred dollar purchase.
Ink, Paper,Tape, Envelope/Box, Packaging, Insurance, Signature confirmation, travel to post office, gas and time are inclusive in seller's costs..
These are a few of the costs a seller incurs getting your product to you if he's using PayPal to ship.
If it showed up in a brown manilla envelope with bare minimum postage, it's excessive, though. >>
don't forget wear and tear on his/her car, etc....
Please, give me a break.
That's part of selling on ebay or as STman has said in the past, the seller can just wait and see if someone knocks on his door.
that charge is very excessive. OPA, you're assuming that the seller is using those services.
If an item is one I would pay $100 for and the S&H will be $12...then I'll bid a max of $88... if the S&H were $25...I'd bid a max of $75...if the S&H were free...I'd bid $100...
...it is really very simple...
...same logic applies to Buyer Fees with other auction venues...
...even with coin shows...if my budget for the day is $1000... and it costs me $25 for gas, tolls and food, etc...
then I have $975 left for coins...
...did anyone here take basic math in school? ...
...and if the excessive S&H is a way to avoid ebay fees...then that is up to ebay to worry about...I do not see much evidence of ebay caring too much about my costs and profit-margins so I am not too concerned about theirs...
<< <i>Ink, Paper,Tape, Envelope/Box, Packaging, Insurance, Signature confirmation, travel to post office, gas and time are inclusive in seller's costs.. >>
I know some people are pickier than others about the "handing" cost of shipping eBay items, but INK? That's the height of cheapness.
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<< <i>Ink, Paper,Tape, Envelope/Box, Packaging, Insurance, Signature confirmation, travel to post office, gas and time are inclusive in seller's costs.. >>
I know some people are pickier than others about the "handing" cost of shipping eBay items, but INK? That's the height of cheapness. >>
Don't buy many inkjet cartridges do you? the give away the printers because the cartridges are $50-70 a pair. I bought a dedicated laser printer to cut down on shipping costs. but I suppose you don't think I should be able to recover those costs either. --Jerry
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<< <i>" Anyone else think $12 is a little steep for a $300 item?"
Actually, it depends on the item, but for a single slabbed coin, it's way high. >>
Lets do the math.....$4.60 Priority Mail
$4.60 USPS Insurance
$1.75 Signature Confirmation (Required by Paypal.
I guess not.... >>
They don't NEED to use priority mail. First class in a padded envelope ala TeleTrade is just fine. They also do not use USPS insurance; they have their own and I know its not free so I don't mind paying towards that. Also they don't use sig conf. Most every package I have ever gotten from them has been dumped in my mailbox. I think they do use del conf tho.
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Anyway, my partners (we) make mistakes often times and when we have to pay an extra five hundred to truck something to a job because someone forgets to order it with the initial shipment, twelve bucks seems cheap. >>
Thats true too Joe, but unless its a life or death situation I would think one could combine the "forgotten to order" stuff with an additional order to save on freight.
–John Adams, 1826
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<< <i>Ink, Paper,Tape, Envelope/Box, Packaging, Insurance, Signature confirmation, travel to post office, gas and time are inclusive in seller's costs.. >>
I know some people are pickier than others about the "handing" cost of shipping eBay items, but INK? That's the height of cheapness. >>
I don't think it is unfair to include all costs. For every sale I make I have to print the invoice, enter and print the shipping labels, print fragile labels, fill out signature confirmation and insurance labels and that's just the paperwork. I then pack the item, usually a slab, in cardboard, then in a bubble bag, put tape on it to make sure it's secure and then of course there's the trip to the PO. Even if all I have is a single $5 as I am not a big seller this is the routine. Of course I automate as much as I can but there's not a lot of room in this process and if you know any, please share.
<< <i>To send a fully insured item (such as a slabbed coin valued at $300- $500) USPS with delivery confirmation costs ~$12.00. >>
Yer not readin the posts. They DON'T use USPS insurance. Anyone can go to the USPS website and find a list of services that add up to $12, but this shippper doesn't use most of those.
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<< <i>To send a fully insured item (such as a slabbed coin valued at $300- $500) USPS with delivery confirmation costs ~$12.00. >>
Yer not readin the posts. They DON'T use USPS insurance. >>
They are still responsible for loss until it is delivered no matter how they choose to insure it. The cost is still there.
I didn't see that before.
too bad we don't have a Pathetically Cheap emoticon.
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<< <i>Ink, Paper,Tape, Envelope/Box, Packaging, Insurance, Signature confirmation, travel to post office, gas and time are inclusive in seller's costs.. >>
I know some people are pickier than others about the "handing" cost of shipping eBay items, but INK? That's the height of cheapness. >>
I don't think it is unfair to include all costs. For every sale I make I have to print the invoice, enter and print the shipping labels, print fragile labels, fill out signature confirmation and insurance labels and that's just the paperwork. I then pack the item, usually a slab, in cardboard, then in a bubble bag, put tape on it to make sure it's secure and then of course there's the trip to the PO. Even if all I have is a single $5 as I am not a big seller this is the routine. Of course I automate as much as I can but there's not a lot of room in this process and if you know any, please share.
For the casual seller its being nitpicky; for a business of course you need to cover costs and I understand all of that. If I sell to a board member here, I don't mind if on some items I eat a $1 on shipping. To me it all evens out. When you charge the same for a $200 coin as you do a $900 coin, the person buying the $200 item is subsidizing the guy who buys the $900 item even tho both would be shipped exactly the same. I just asked for an opinion, not a lecture. I have shipped enough on my own to know whats fair and what isn't.
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<< <i>To send a fully insured item (such as a slabbed coin valued at $300- $500) USPS with delivery confirmation costs ~$12.00. >>
Yer not readin the posts. They DON'T use USPS insurance. >>
They are still responsible for loss until it is delivered no matter how they choose to insure it. The cost is still there. >>
I understand that. They don't use USPS insurance cuz it costs too much, but I hope they are not billing me at USPS rates if that was the case. Would you want your pharmacist to give you generics and bill you at name brand prices?
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<< <i>To send a fully insured item (such as a slabbed coin valued at $300- $500) USPS with delivery confirmation costs ~$12.00. >>
Yer not readin the posts. They DON'T use USPS insurance. >>
They are still responsible for loss until it is delivered no matter how they choose to insure it. The cost is still there. >>
I understand that. They don't use USPS insurance cuz it costs too much, but I hope they are not billing me at USPS rates if that was the case. Would you want your pharmacist to give you generics and bill you at name brand prices? >>
Not anymore than buying car insurance from a no name insurance company that may or may not pay. The bottom line is if it gets lost he's going to have to make it right. I'd stay off Ebay if this bothers you since a shipper can ship any method he wants. I'm not a big fan of bubble mailers on slabed coins myself since I've had one broken and a couple more "lost" since you can tell what's in the package. JMO
<< <i>Small 7" x 10" box costs me about 87 cents, insurance, label, return receipt by email, printing out the receipt, cost for registered mail all factors in the price for shipping. Depends how he is shipping but its reasonable. If you want snail mail, no insurance, cheap non padded envelope than it is too expensive. >>
They ship it in a flate rate envelope with DC and NO insurance. I don't know what their cut is to fund their self-insured program, but I assume it would be less than USPS rates.
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<< <i>To send a fully insured item (such as a slabbed coin valued at $300- $500) USPS with delivery confirmation costs ~$12.00. >>
Yer not readin the posts. They DON'T use USPS insurance. >>
They are still responsible for loss until it is delivered no matter how they choose to insure it. The cost is still there. >>
I understand that. They don't use USPS insurance cuz it costs too much, but I hope they are not billing me at USPS rates if that was the case. Would you want your pharmacist to give you generics and bill you at name brand prices? >>
Not anymore than buying car insurance from a no name insurance company that may or may not pay. The bottom line is if it gets lost he's going to have to make it right. I'd stay off Ebay if this bothers you since a shipper can ship method he want. I'm not a big fan of bubble mailers on slabed coins myself since I've had one broken and a couple more "lost" since you can tell what's in the package. JMO >>
The shipper is Heritage, not anyone from eBay and you tell me how a Saf T Mailer in a flat rate envelope is any more safe or secure than the same thing in a bubble pack envelope.
That oughta open up a can of worms
I have lost enough money (a dollar here and 2 dollars there) selling items so now I try to estimate, but on a little higher end.
It's a risk, as a seller, I take.
Also, as a seller, I don't care if someone wants to resell it or not. I prefer collectors (has nothing to do with money and I am not trying to get rich by selling my dupes/flips....it has to do with me....) so if I sell for $5 less to a collector rather than a dealer looking for a quick flip (or $15 less), I am ok with that 99% of the time.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Then don't buy from Heritage. Voila! Problem solved. Next thread please? >>
I love these kind of responses to threads.
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If it seems high for you, don't buy. If its nice material someone else will snag it.
<< <i>Not if it is shipped Priority Mail with Signature confirmation and insurance included. Mailing secured , insured items ain't cheap.
If it seems high for you, don't buy. If its nice material someone else will snag it. >>
Some here need to take reading comprehension. I already said it wasn't insured thru the USPS nor did it have sig conf. Just address the facts as given. And forego the lectures and other salty advice; I already know all that. I'm just asking for an opinion. I'd think they could break that $200 to $900 range into $200 to $500 for $9 or so and $501 to $900 for the $12. Back in may they only charged $15 for a $1300 item.
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so wuts yer point?
If you sellers want sympathy, you've come to the wrong place, unless there are other excessive chargers among us. I've sold before on ebay, lots of stuff. It's not that hard and it's not that expensive to do so. It's one thing to make enough on shipping to actually cover the price of a materials but wanting to factor in such ridiculous things as Ink is pathetic.
what's the next thing we'll hear about people factoring in? wear and tear on their PC, vehicles, shoes....
Ridiculous.
12.00 is excessive but having said that I wouldn't bid on such a coin knowing that going into it. I don't and won't buy/bid from sellers that overcharge no matter what the hell they have. There's always another somewhere else.
I guess some would rather read:
Gold opens at $801.10
Gold goin hog wild at $801.11
Gold is center of the sun HOT $801.12
Man gold is batsasz nutz $801.14
$801.15 gold by Xmas
When do you think gold will hit $801.28?
<< <i>my point is that I get sick of hearing the lame excuses by people on here that are trying to justify this and virtually all other excessive shipping complaints. >>
<< <i>It's one thing to make enough on shipping to actually cover the price of a materials but wanting to factor in such ridiculous things as Ink is pathetic. >>
Amen, brother.