Looks nice but I can't grade it off that picture....too dark and too much toning to grade from a straight on shot....at least for me....Unc is about the best I can do.
The toning is hard to read...at first I thought it was a proof...but the stars are not well defined...I'd say MS66....but that is a guess, mainly because of the pic is too dark and mottled..
If it's netted to 45 for the toning, I would guess they determined it's not the type that can be removed. That black stuff can be IN the surface. Really tenacious stuff.
That coin has been crapped on... and it looks like some serious scrathes on the reverse, under the toning. I say 'looks like'... hard to tell for sure. I would have it conserved. Could go AU if not damaged surfaces. Cheers, RickO
<< <i>The obverse looks XF/AU, the reverse looks unc. >>
Trade Dollar Nut, I believe you know this series better than anyone (especially me,) but I am curious about what led you to your conclusions on the obverse?
I do not see any wear on the high points, and certainly not enough to push the coin into the XF zone - all I see is possibly some lack of defininition on the drapery and a slightly different luster in that same area which, given the crispness of the reverse, I would first suspect to be a glitch in the photograph and second the surface particulars of this coin given all the crazy toning going on.
I'm not trying to second guess the master, merely understand your wisdom.
Oh yeah - and I wouldn't NCS it. While they do great work where preserving the life of a coin is concerned, in this case I think they would just be erasing 160 years of history, whether it be pretty or otherwise.
I see wear on the thigh, midriff, forearm, foot and head ... and enough circulation marks in the field to make me believe it's wear and not just a different toning.
It is unusual, however, to see that much wear with a full crisp shield. It's a funky looking coin in that respect.
<< <i>Conserve it and you've got nothing but a washed out, marked up, unnaturally white POS. Why bother??? >>
Why bother,?
If I could increase the value $500-$1000 I could buy another really sweet coin. That's why.
Remember some of us are just small time, and could only dream of getting to buy some of the real sweet pieces that others can afford. So we have to scratch and claw our way to the mid-range. I may never reach the top. LOL
<< <i>Conserve it and you've got nothing but a washed out, marked up, unnaturally white POS. Why bother??? >>
Why bother,?
If I could increase the value $500-$1000 I could buy another really sweet coin. That's why.
Remember some of us are just small time, and could only dream of getting to buy some of the real sweet pieces that others can afford. So we have to scratch and claw our way to the mid-range. I may never reach the top. LOL >>
Just because a coin is conserved and upgraded from PCGS XF45 to a washed out NGC AU50 doesn't mean the value increases - except to those buyers who have no clue about how to value coins.
I think it's appropriately graded, the coin falls just short of au imo. Also, hows the coins luster in hand? The pics look like they have quite a bit of light on them and i would guess the coin is darker in hand???
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I wish I had seen this thread earlier. I think the coin was graded 45 because it is not original and it retoned over time. The appearance just does not look natural. The coin was not likely graded higher than 45 because of the aforementioned issue. Its not a bad coin, its just that this one is not deserving of a higher grade.
As for your question about conservation. I have a short response... DISASTER... that will be one decision you will regret.
As for suggestions... if you do not like the coin, consider selling it as it is
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<< <i>I only ask because in AU values jumps about $1000
Maybe worth the risk.
When NCS gets done, it goes into a regular NGC holder correct? >>
NCS will only agree to conserve it, if they feel that type of toning can be removed without damage. I have had a few come back graded but not conserved due to this.
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edited to add: To much wear showing on Liberty's right leg to be unc, or AU for that matter.
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not to familiar with these, the toning takes away from it.
however is it me, or is that exhibiting cam?
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Do I dare talk about NCS conserving it?
<< <i>It is currently PCGS.
Do I dare talk about NCS conserving it? >>
I would in a heartbeat, I have many favorable results from them
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PCGS only grades it at xf-45
Do you think it grades so low because of the toning?
That black stuff can be IN the surface. Really tenacious stuff.
Maybe worth the risk.
When NCS gets done, it goes into a regular NGC holder correct?
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i will also agree with others that something is not quite right
about this coin.
<< <i>The obverse looks XF/AU, the reverse looks unc. >>
Trade Dollar Nut, I believe you know this series better than anyone (especially me,) but I am curious about what led you to your conclusions on the obverse?
I do not see any wear on the high points, and certainly not enough to push the coin into the XF zone - all I see is possibly some lack of defininition on the drapery and a slightly different luster in that same area which, given the crispness of the reverse, I would first suspect to be a glitch in the photograph and second the surface particulars of this coin given all the crazy toning going on.
I'm not trying to second guess the master, merely understand your wisdom.
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It is unusual, however, to see that much wear with a full crisp shield. It's a funky looking coin in that respect.
<< <i>Conserve it and you've got nothing but a washed out, marked up, unnaturally white POS. Why bother??? >>
Why bother,?
If I could increase the value $500-$1000 I could buy another really sweet coin. That's why.
Remember some of us are just small time, and could only dream of getting to buy some of the real sweet pieces that others can afford. So we have to scratch and claw our way to the mid-range. I may never reach the top. LOL
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<< <i>Conserve it and you've got nothing but a washed out, marked up, unnaturally white POS. Why bother??? >>
Why bother,?
If I could increase the value $500-$1000 I could buy another really sweet coin. That's why.
Remember some of us are just small time, and could only dream of getting to buy some of the real sweet pieces that others can afford. So we have to scratch and claw our way to the mid-range. I may never reach the top. LOL >>
Just because a coin is conserved and upgraded from PCGS XF45 to a washed out NGC AU50 doesn't mean the value increases - except to those buyers who have no clue about how to value coins.
<< <i>OK I will go back to sifting thru my pocket change now. >>
Kindly take my advice in the spirit in which it's offered and not turn this into a class war.
have become successful.
that and the influx of rubes.
his advice is solid!
I did not mean to offend.
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As for your question about conservation. I have a short response... DISASTER... that will be one decision you will regret.
As for suggestions... if you do not like the coin, consider selling it as it is
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
<< <i>I only ask because in AU values jumps about $1000
Maybe worth the risk.
When NCS gets done, it goes into a regular NGC holder correct? >>
NCS will only agree to conserve it, if they feel that type of toning can be removed without damage. I have had a few come back graded but not conserved due to this.
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill