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My '86 Topps sub - BRUTAL results - NO 10's

larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
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I got caught up in the '86 Ryan fun and bought a 3 rack case from BBC. I do not have the time to be that selective but thought all the cards had a shot at a 10. I guess I am out of practice having not submitted a lot the last year or two. I have submitted hundreds (if not thousnads) of cards over the last 10 years and this has to be my worst ever. UGLY. I just can't believe all the 8's. Just trash. However, quick turnaround on the modern $10 a card standard submission. If I get my scanner working I will post the Ryans when they arrive because I really thought both were very clean looking.

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 08227120 1986 TOPPS 100 NOLAN RYAN N/A 8
1 08227121 1986 TOPPS 100 NOLAN RYAN N/A 8
2 08227122 1986 TOPPS 180 DON MATTINGLY N/A 9
3 08227123 1986 TOPPS 202 DWIGHT GOODEN N/A 9
4 08227124 1986 TOPPS 207 FERNANDO VALENZUELA N/A 8
5 08227125 1986 TOPPS 390 TOM SEAVER N/A 9
6 08227126 1986 TOPPS 402 TOM SEAVER TURN BACK THE CLOCK 8
7 08227127 1986 TOPPS 538 DENNIS ECKERSLEY N/A 9
8 08227128 1986 TOPPS 620 BRUCE SUTTER N/A 9
9 08227129 1986 TOPPS 661 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 8
10 08227130 1986 TOPPS 730 OZZIE SMITH N/A 8

Date Received: 10/08/2007
Date of Grades Posted: 10/10/2007
Date Shipped: 10/15/2007

Comments

  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know how you feel. I sent in a few 86's in on the June special. I got zero 10's, one 8 (Clemens), and the rest were 9's (2 Ryan's). The Ryans and the Clemens probably deserved their grade. But I sent in some commons (population of zero 10's) that were absolutley, positively flawless. There was not even a single speck of white on the black border, perfectly centered, no print flaws at all, and they got 9's. I was furious. Oh, well.

    Here are some picture. I think everyone will agree.

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    Shane

  • jamesryanbelljamesryanbell Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭
    I don't know how some of those scans weren't tens. ????

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  • Kid4hof03Kid4hof03 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice McGee!!!

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  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963


    << <i>
    Date Received: 10/08/2007
    Date of Grades Posted: 10/10/2007
    Date Shipped: 10/15/2007 >>



    Out of morbid curiosity, which service did you submit under?
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    manufactured rarities. If they awarded 10s to all the '86 Topps that deserve it they would no longer be rare. Buy PSA 9's for less than the cost of grading. You'll get cards that are every bit as nice as PSA 10s (at least for modern cards).
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  • RogermnjRogermnj Posts: 1,809 ✭✭
    I sent in about 50 1986 topps cards from a rack break.
    i got about 25 9s 22 8s and 3 10s.
    You are not alone....
    I expected 15-20 10s
  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963


    << <i>manufactured rarities. If they awarded 10s to all the '86 Topps that deserve it they would no longer be rare. Buy PSA 9's for less than the cost of grading. You'll get cards that are every bit as nice as PSA 10s (at least for modern cards). >>




    shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    Out of morbid curiosity, which service did you submit under?

    $10 modern.
  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963
    PSA rules!!
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    Buy PSA 9's for less than the cost of grading. You'll get cards that are every bit as nice as PSA 10s (at least for modern cards).

    At the moment that seems like a great idea! However, not nearly as much fun as hoping for a 10!
  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    wow you got screwed and tatooed on those 9's
  • royalbrettroyalbrett Posts: 620 ✭✭✭
    The pop report for '86 Topps Ryan cards has just got to be exploding right now.
    Yeah, I uploaded that KC icon in 2001
  • jamesryanbelljamesryanbell Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭


    << <i>wow you got screwed and tatooed on those 9's >>



    That's pretty much what I was thinking.
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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,163 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The pop report for '86 Topps Ryan cards has just got to be exploding right now. >>



    That's what I'm expecting. PSA will hold down the PSA 10 population to keep those subs rolling in. In the meantime, PSA 9's will deteriorate to about $3 each on eBay as the population goes through the roof. Once the PSA 10 pop on the Ryan gets above 10, the reigns will be loosened and 10s will be awarded liberally. Then that pop 1 card becomes a pop 25 before you know it.

    I have a few nice '86 Topps Ryans but I'm not going to bother submitting them. I probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than getting a 10 on that card right now. Maybe the key is to submit 100 nice vending examples. PSA may just award 1 of them with a 10 to offset the cost of submitting the other worthless 9s.
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  • leathtechleathtech Posts: 3,191 ✭
    wow those 9's look great! I'm going to hold off submitting any of my recent '86 rack bust... PSA you just lost my sub money image
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  • HoopsterHoopster Posts: 1,169
    And nobody sees the foolishness in all this?
  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    they should say WHY a card is not a ten...(or at least lie image
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Oh, I think everyone sees the foolishness but when people will pay thousands for "low" pop cards from junk sets it's hard not to try. I just wonder why the bulk guys haven't hit this one to death with their 3$ grading fees, it would be pretty cheap to submit 2 or 3 hundred Ryans.
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  • PasadenaMudSlidePasadenaMudSlide Posts: 732
    I hear you.

    I no longer own these cards.

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  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    I would have to agree with you. 85 topps football i just got back today. I was expecting all 10's on these. They are completely flawless!!

    13 08222595 1985 TOPPS 17 MIKE KENN ALL PRO 9
    14 08222596 1985 TOPPS 32 STEVE McMICHAEL N/A 8 --huh??
    15 08222597 1985 TOPPS 68 LYNN DICKEY N/A 9
    16 08222598 1985 TOPPS 232 OZZIE NEWSOME ALL PRO 9
    17 08222599 1985 TOPPS 283 LYLE ALZADO N/A 8 --huh??
    19 08222601 1985 TOPPS 364 SAM WASHINGTON N/A 10
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Those grades are all over the place.....how did that Clemens with that ugly arse print dot get a 9?



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  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    You mean PSA would lower a card's grade just to keep the pop low?

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  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I know how you feel. I sent in a few 86's in on the June special. I got zero 10's, one 8 (Clemens), and the rest were 9's (2 Ryan's). The Ryans and the Clemens probably deserved their grade. But I sent in some commons (population of zero 10's) that were absolutley, positively flawless. There was not even a single speck of white on the black border, perfectly centered, no print flaws at all, and they got 9's. I was furious. Oh, well.

    Here are some picture. I think everyone will agree.

    image

    image

    image >>



    I'll throw my 2 cents in and say - yes they look very nice - I think (and maybe other do also that they are not perfectly centered top to bottom as I look at some of the other scans) - just my 2 cents - and they are all that way - so maybe the straight 9's explains that ? I dont know - but I thought I'd throw that out there...


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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That very well could be the problem. I had not noticed that. To make sure we are on the same page - are you saying that they are centered a little high?

    Shane

  • alifaxwa2alifaxwa2 Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The pop report for '86 Topps Ryan cards has just got to be exploding right now. >>



    That's what I'm expecting. PSA will hold down the PSA 10 population to keep those subs rolling in. In the meantime, PSA 9's will deteriorate to about $3 each on eBay as the population goes through the roof. Once the PSA 10 pop on the Ryan gets above 10, the reigns will be loosened and 10s will be awarded liberally. Then that pop 1 card becomes a pop 25 before you know it.

    I have a few nice '86 Topps Ryans but I'm not going to bother submitting them. I probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than getting a 10 on that card right now. Maybe the key is to submit 100 nice vending examples. PSA may just award 1 of them with a 10 to offset the cost of submitting the other worthless 9s. >>



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  • bifff257bifff257 Posts: 751 ✭✭


    << <i>Oh, I think everyone sees the foolishness but when people will pay thousands for "low" pop cards from junk sets it's hard not to try. >>




    Well I tried, I busted a 86 wax box last week I got from BBCE.



    One thing I will have to say is that this set is starting to grow on me.... I might try and put together a nice mint set from some wax. Those cards look great in those PSA holders...

  • PasadenaMudSlidePasadenaMudSlide Posts: 732
    Those grades are all over the place.....how did that Clemens with that ugly arse print dot get a 9?

    In comparison to larryallen73's scans, my cards suck.

    Absolutely beautiful "9s"!

    May need to crack and resubmit those gems.
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    i really forgot how ugly the 86 willie mcgee was till i saw the ol 86 topps again lol-now im going to have nightmares!
  • SalinasSalinas Posts: 326 ✭
    what would be nice is a comparison of the 86 pop reports at the end of August (whenever the first Ryan 10 appeared) and, say, January or the next cheap modern special. we will then be able to see how the two Ryan sales affected the pop report.
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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Those grades are all over the place.....how did that Clemens with that ugly arse print dot get a 9?

    In comparison to larryallen73's scans, my cards suck.

    Absolutely beautiful "9s"!

    May need to crack and resubmit those gems. >>



    Those aren't larryallen's. They are mine. Too bad that I've done sold them. I sold them with a complete 1986 factory set. Believe me, that set was loaded with cards just as nice. I only wanted to send in cards that had zero 10's. I could have sent in more, but I limited it to those. I sent those in on the same submission as I did the 93 Finest PSA 10 Ryan.

    Shane

  • PasadenaMudSlidePasadenaMudSlide Posts: 732
    Believe me, that set was loaded with cards just as nice. I only wanted to send in cards that had zero 10's

    I purchased a factory sealed wax box on eBay. Absolutely incredible. I may do the same ... submit cards with zero 10s.

    Nice cards, nonetheless!
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    UPDATE- I got my cards back from PSA today. I won't bother scanning but it's interesting both Ryan's, which were graded 8's, have dinged corners now. I would NEVER have submitted them like that. Pisses me off. Since I use the naked eye for submitting, and rarely use the loupe, I miss some surface wrinkles but I never miss square corners. Both my Ryan's now have dinged corners. That sucks. Thanks a lot PSA!
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,449 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>UPDATE- I got my cards back from PSA today. I won't bother scanning but it's interesting both Ryan's, which were graded 8's, have dinged corners now. I would NEVER have submitted them like that. Pisses me off. Since I use the naked eye for submitting, and rarely use the loupe, I miss some surface wrinkles but I never miss square corners. Both my Ryan's now have dinged corners. That sucks. Thanks a lot PSA! >>

    That's sad - sorry to hear this.

    And - it does happen - on a regular basis.

    Did you scan the cards before submitting?

    If so - you can - at least - write a nice note off the PSA about this.
    mike
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